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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIV

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Who'd have thought that destroying intricate supply chains and mutual interests built up over 40 years who have such catastrophic effect on the UK economy?
Well, apart from anyone that had a brain and listened to the trade experts who said exactly this would happen.

Still, as they need us more than we need them, think how terrible it must be the rest of the EU. That must be some consolation for the Brexiteers.
 
Who'd have thought that destroying intricate supply chains and mutual interests built up over 40 years who have such catastrophic effect on the UK economy?
Well, apart from anyone that had a brain and listened to the trade experts who said exactly this would happen.

Still, as they need us more than we need them, think how terrible it must be the rest of the EU. That must be some consolation for the Brexiteers.
Yet you want to do it all again and make it worse for Scotland. Very odd.
 
Thanks. Someone was on TV last night talking about practicalities of coming to the UK for 3 months - places to live, family issues, setting up bank accounts, hostile environments, etc. Not sure that's what the government had in mind when it said Global Britain is open for business. You can't help but think about what Boris said about business at this time.

There are reports in the papers of local businesses struggling with the lack of drivers (not to mention purist Brexit). Business owners are quite blunt in saying that if the situation doesn't change soon their businesses will go under.
Even the dates suggested for these 5000 visas are crazy: who's going to sign up to a temporary visa ending on Dec. 24th? Is the idea that they will all rush back home on the 24th before deportation kicks in? EU drivers remember many of their colleagues got stranded by the sh*t show last year and spent Christmas in a Kent parking lot instead of with their families. It's either complete thoughtlessness, a calculated insult or utter incompetence.
 
As "Be Careful What You Wish For" got ignored when would be a decent, fair time to say "Told You So" ?

To quote the Carpenters....."we've only just begun". This mess is going to get a whole lot worse - economic decline by a thousand cuts.
However, I think "told you so" is probably appropriate whenever you feel like it as the trend is clear..:(
 
Even the dates suggested for these 5000 visas are crazy: who's going to sign up to a temporary visa ending on Dec. 24th? Is the idea that they will all rush back home on the 24th before deportation kicks in? EU drivers remember many of their colleagues got stranded by the sh*t show last year and spent Christmas in a Kent parking lot instead of with their families. It's either complete thoughtlessness, a calculated insult or utter incompetence.

All three is the best explanation
 
Even the dates suggested for these 5000 visas are crazy: who's going to sign up to a temporary visa ending on Dec. 24th?

Very few, I reckon.

Assuming it all works OK, the first applicants will start in, at best, a couple of weeks time and then finish in mid-December to go home.

It's almost like the expectation is that it'll all blow over by the end of the week of its own accord and the visas are there to ease the 'panic'; "Look, we're sorting it, calm down."
 
Even the dates suggested for these 5000 visas are crazy: who's going to sign up to a temporary visa ending on Dec. 24th? Is the idea that they will all rush back home on the 24th before deportation kicks in? EU drivers remember many of their colleagues got stranded by the sh*t show last year and spent Christmas in a Kent parking lot instead of with their families. It's either complete thoughtlessness, a calculated insult or utter incompetence.
Precisely.

Basically we are saying 'Please save us, then f**k off home again'.

Some will probably enjoy the visceral thrill of driving people out again. I guess the warm feeling doesn't last for very long.
 
Even the dates suggested for these 5000 visas are crazy: who's going to sign up to a temporary visa ending on Dec. 24th? Is the idea that they will all rush back home on the 24th before deportation kicks in? EU drivers remember many of their colleagues got stranded by the sh*t show last year and spent Christmas in a Kent parking lot instead of with their families. It's either complete thoughtlessness, a calculated insult or utter incompetence.

Did you forget Arrogance ? Maybe 'calculated insult' covers it.
 
Quite right, time to pause for a disbenefits of Brexit summary:

Devaluation of the pound.
Reduction in GDP
Increased inflation/ increased prices
Offshoring to the EU by U.K. companies-both jobs and financial assets
Shortage of manpower causing reduced economic activity
Fuel shortages
Food shortages
Loss of exports to EU, described as ‘disastrous’ by the food and drink sector.
Mobile phone roaming charges in Europe
Threat of the collapse of power sharing and civil disorder in Northern Ireland


….but keep calm and carry on.
I see you tactfully left out a few juicy ones, such as increased red, white and blue tape, 50000 extra customs paperwork people, loss of Erasmus, loss of rights to travel, work and live elsewhere in Europe, not to mention the increased risk of the breakup of the UK.
 
Ongoing Brexit effect part #2453: racist far-right terrorist group connected to Jo Cox muder ‘Britain First’ now registered as a political party (BBC).

Brexit: enabling fascism since 2015.
 
One might almost begin to think that with each passing day we are starting to look more and more like a South American-style failed state. We just need stagflation to really kick in to make the picture complete.

And yet the government just seems to float above it.
 
One might almost begin to think that with each passing day we are starting to look more and more like a South American-style failed state. We just need stagflation to really kick in to make the picture complete.

And yet the government just seems to float above it.

That is why “small government” is such an attractive idea, just hoy the blame on someone else and carry on trousering the cash in those extra large pocket Bermuda shorts.
 
Quite right, time to pause for a disbenefits of Brexit summary:

Devaluation of the pound.
Reduction in GDP
Increased inflation/ increased prices
Offshoring to the EU by U.K. companies-both jobs and financial assets
Shortage of manpower causing reduced economic activity
Fuel shortages
Food shortages
Loss of exports to EU, described as ‘disastrous’ by the food and drink sector.
Mobile phone roaming charges in Europe
Threat of the collapse of power sharing and civil disorder in Northern Ireland


….but keep calm and carry on.
It'll make me unpopular, but I'm questioning some of these. The pound has been dropping in nominal value for quite some years. It had already done a 5% drop even before the Brexit referendum was called. To be frank it's fairly trivial because the desire for the rest of the world to want to hold the £ has not substantially waned and the currency (not being pegged or constrained is valuable). The price rises are real and partially a result of that, but the inflation claim put out is commonly a damp squib. There is no accelerating inflation recorded, it's simply not happening. Even if it rises by 10% and stays there that's a stable inflation rate and inflation is also a sign of economic growth.
The offshoring of financial assets might seem terrible, but in another sense it's not like e.g. offshoring of limited (officially at least) Euro financial assets. It's annoying that they do this offshoring, but the UK doesn't have to grasp them back before it can do anything in a fiscal capacity. It runs into the above where people want to hold £s, which could also be considered beneficial for the currency value.

The employment thing is a developing issue, so I'm reluctant to fall on either side right now. The stats seem to indicate that indeed the number of vacancies has risen (and labour available possibly proportionally), but the main sectors have been healthcare, public services, utilities and currently transportation. It shows two things: that Brexit really did shut off a conduit where UK companies could maintain a cheaper labour source (since then many returning eastern European EU citizens have discovered that since they left for the UK, things have improved at home and they can earn better and see families/not be an ex-pat). So the 'personnel crisis', overwhelmingly in lower pay sectors, has actually been a story of companies resisting against paying the market rate for wages and reducing the quality of working conditions. They're now finding that full UK citizens with more stability than a foreign worker, are unwilling to take substandard conditions. That is the 'crisis' for a private business sector which has grown to expect easy profit and high control of wage suppression. This is likely to effect a change they can't wriggle out of and may well be a 'Brexit benefit'...shock horror.

The exports thing is 50/50. The Brexit situation certainly slows down the trade conditions in both directions, but the UK has rarely (if ever) run an export account surplus anyway (and this shouldn't be relied upon). Exports are also a cost compared to imports which for a currency sovereign is the mere exchange of issue for actual goods! The loss of some imports and the reduction of some exports can have a knock on effect for stimulating both domestic production and domestic consumption. Which is by no means a bad thing, but requires a government with considerably more foresight and vision than the ones who keep taking power. Whether the situation significantly affects the UK's ability to acquire outside raw materials remains to be seen. I think we'll have to wait to see what happens.

The other things in the list are pretty much what they are. The Northern Ireland issue is the most problematic.
 
Project fear again Dec. Grow a spine man. There are fabulous opportunities out there, hauking tatties, picking veg and gutting turkeys.
Picking whelks used to be big when I were a lad.
Lorry picked your sacks up every week, paid cash, and off they went to the continent...
Er...
 
Quite right, time to pause for a disbenefits of Brexit summary:

Devaluation of the pound.
Reduction in GDP
Increased inflation/ increased prices
Offshoring to the EU by U.K. companies-both jobs and financial assets
Shortage of manpower causing reduced economic activity
Fuel shortages
Food shortages
Loss of exports to EU, described as ‘disastrous’ by the food and drink sector.
Mobile phone roaming charges in Europe
Threat of the collapse of power sharing and civil disorder in Northern Ireland


….but keep calm and carry on.

can we add;
- the failure to get a trade deal with the US (I’m sure that it was mentioned as being a future benefit)
- the ongoing opportunity for the top 1% to offshore their cash to the Caymans and similar, as we’ve stopped those terrible Europeans from at some point applying rules that could close some of those loopholes
 
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