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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XII

Discussion in 'off topic' started by richardg, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    I'm not sure. But....I do feel energized by massive change like this and I am sure we could work any further changes to our advantage. Eg e-tailing from the Irish border could also be interesting.
  2. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    I'm not sure. But....I do feel energized by massive change like this and I am sure we could work any further changes to our advantage. Eg e-tailing from the Irish border could also be interesting.
  3. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    And there's the "I'm all right Jack" . I'm pleased for you. My business is selling my services to food manufacturer s in the UK and Europe. It's taken me all over the UK, to France and Ireland. Post Brexit, have a guess what's happened to the EU work.
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  4. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Indeed. Friend of mine is a techy on large temporary video installations. He used to work regularly on the grand prix, and festival, circuit across Europe. This last year there’s been no work due to Covid, but when it resumes, he’s doubtful he’ll get most of the European stuff back. I hope, for his sake, he’s mistaken but he knows his field better than me, obvs.
  5. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    Everything in the garden was roses until Brexit came along?

    Nearly a quarter of a century after paramilitary groups officially declared ceasefires, they continue to exert dominance via extortion and bloodshed. They are also still recruiting, according to the Police Service of Northern Ireland, who consider young people especially vulnerable, as gangs use drug debts to blackmail them into membership. Between June 2018 and June 2019 there was one paramilitary-style punishment attack every four days in the North.

    Seen as an alternative ‘quick fix’ to the traditional justice system, victims as young as 16, are sentenced to beatings, shootings and kneecappings. The current deterrant designed to spread fear among supposed ‘wrongdoers’ is called a ‘six pack’ and involves shooting the victim in the knees, ankles and elbows, when their alleged offence is considered particularly heinous. Chief Constable of the PSNI, George Hamilton, warned two years ago that parents had begun numbing their children with alcohol and painkillers in advance of ‘appointments’ with these ‘punishment gangs’.

    The very architecture of Belfast, an otherwise modern European capital city, betrays the shaky foundations of supposed normality built upon the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement.

    Still the promised food and medicine shortages have yet to emerge so best focus our 'told you so'
    vindication of our beliefs somewhere.
  6. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Organised crime exists in Belfast as well as in other cities? Well, who knew?
  7. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Steve, have you ever interrogated your own assumptions. Do you ask yourself how or if the UK has greater significance or influence as an EU member. I'd be interested to hear what you mean by that, how you define it.

    I suppose that, given 5 years of frantic predictions, beginning with the pre-referendum Treasury modelling (that was almost uniformly wrong) through all the to-ing and fro-ing that has taken place since, you are guaranteed to find something that slots in with your particular set of prejudices. Even given that, I suspect there's no small amount of rewriting of history taking place.

    OK, but when it boils down to it, you're no different from everyone else here in that you're basically running out the slightly tiring platitude that the EU isn't perfect, but when it boils down to the nitty-gritty, we find that the EU can do no wrong. I hear no questioning of the EU's blindly stupid and completely unnecessary maximalist interpretation of the NIP from you, just the standard, brain-dead 'the UK wrote it/agreed to it/signed it, so the UK must implement it' line.

    In the meantime, the first firebomb has been pulled out from under a young PSNI mother's car. It was fixed just beneath the child seat.
  8. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    There are many things you don’t seem to hear or see.
    But in summary, you’re saying, “all other posters here are tiresome and blinkered”.
  9. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    I suspect that's true of all of us.

    I interrogate myself every day, more so since December that ever before. I've found myself on some pretty arid ground.
  10. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    I dunno about these interrogation sessions of yours. Time to try another technique?
  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    How low are you prepared to go in supporting Johnson?
  12. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Well, you've heard me questioning myself on the hit to the agrifoods exporters right here. I'm not sure that I've ever heard you question your stance on the EU generally, and on the EU's NIP policy in particular.
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  13. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Given that you support gettinitdun I don't care whether or how you voted. Same with ET.
    Covkxw likes this.
  14. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    That's just the other side of it. I'm not going to vote for other people. I voted for what I believed would benefit me. What's wrong with that?
  15. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

    quite a lot, actually.
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  16. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    ^^ EV there would be no need to 'question the EU's maximalist interpretation of the NIP' or anything else if not for Brexit.
    Whether the ensuing problems could be managed better or worse is irrelevant to me because Brexit itself was a mistake based on misinformation/short-term view.
    Covkxw likes this.
  17. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Fine. Just so it’s clear supporting ‘gettinitdun’ is supporting democracy, trying to ignore/overturn the referendum result is ‘Trumpian’.
  18. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    What’s happened to the EU work and for what reason(s) exactly?
  19. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    FFS Brian, whereas before Brexit qualifications were recognised across the EU and no work permits were required, now qualifications are not recognised and work permits are required. Lots of my mates are stuck in the U.K. as companies will not go through the paperwork and what’s more people I know here have told me that they were interested in going to the U.K. to work but can no longer be bothered “because of Brexit”. The U.K. loses out both ways, it’s a s4it show.
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  20. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    No need for the ‘FFS’ but never mind.

    Basically, nothing has happened to the work, the lad just hasn’t bothered to submit the EU required paperwork? FFS why not?

    Given the decades of being ‘in step’ there is no reason why qualifications should not be recognised between the UK and EU members. This red tape should and could have been sorted prior to leaving but unfortunately everything was rejected in favour of overturning the referendum completely so we are where we are. It’s a combination of EU rules and a reluctance to apply for a work permit.

    How do people manage to obtain agreement to work in EU countries who are from countries that are not part of the EU?

    What were the EEC rules for this compared with EU rules? I don’t recall such difficulties in the past, people from all over the world have moved to other countries for work for many years long before the EU simply appeared on the scene.

    The ‘s4it show’ has to be made to work. For that we need cooperation between the EU and the UK. The EU has never shown any inclination to cooperate so I’m not holding out much hope.

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