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Sure.
Walk down pretty much any high street. The changes of mass migration are clear to see.
You're blaming the EU, but the facts are that the UK had the tools at its disposal to put the brakes on immigration, if it so chose.
It didn't - why?
I didn't blame the EU. It's undeniable that FOM is a core policy.You're blaming the EU, but the facts are that the UK had the tools at its disposal to put the brakes on immigration, if it so chose.
It didn't - why?
I didn't blame the EU. It's undeniable that FOM is a core policy.
How the UK government chose to implement the policy is not something that voters had any say on. I'm not a Labour supporter, someone who is might be able to explain why they got their migration estimates so wrong.
I am saying that the resulting impact is very visible in many parts of the UK. Some will see it as beneficial, others won't.
Just thinking, I haven’t had a kebab in ages...Nope. The tories are screwing us all, apart from MPs, their families and their doners.
You're asking the wrong person as to why.Why did the UK not opt to put the brakes on immigration from the EU?
People voted to leave because they thought that the EU was wholly responsible for immigration and the UK was helpless to stop it, which is wrong. As usual, we're blaming domestic issues on the EU.
Maybe people voted because they saw the government as inept?
Well, look up pragmatism, that's what I mean. You want a decent job doing, you hire competent not thieves and crooks.No, I really know what I mean.
'Pragmatism' though does tap the self-interest theme. We could call it blind fundamentalism dressed up as self-interest.
Do you really think that people voted Leave because of this particular issue?...
So well done, leave voters and the Brexit party in Government.
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No, you're just guilty of rewriting history.
Most people have never cared about fishing going back decades now. I remember it was a dying industry in Hull in the 80s.
It was never a priority in the political party manifestos in GE's.
I'm talking about the actual people I know who voted, not symbolism. Most of the narrative was about migration, not fishing.
I know people who voted remain/leave on purely local issues. I know people who spent more time discussing X factor than the referendum
If you vote for liars, you get lies.Mordant and Gove caught out lying about the 'benefits' of Brexit to the fishing industry.
It really reeks of desperation.
I just wish the reporters would call out the lies for what they are.
We are still trapped in Trumpland.
Stephen
I've always considered that globalism comes at a cost. People pretended that it was the free lunch that kept on giving. It never was.Interesting post. In a previous post you've clearly explained "globalism" in terms of chasing cheap labour or importing cheap labour iirc. Governments have a choice, whether to pursue a high skill/reward workforce or low cost. Ours appears to have made the choice to go for McJobs and to compete with Chinese sweatshops, Brexit makes that choice easier.
Above you've explained that the narrative was about migrants, not fishing. I would certainly agree with that, my last 20 years of work was in 2 highly unionised industries, in both there was a clear majority in favour of Brexit mainly driven by the desire to keep brown and black people out. Racist, ignorant and wrong headed though such a viewpoint is.
We had just as much say in that as we did the implementation of everything following the June 2016 vote. The Tories on here say "you had 3 GEs to have your say on how to implement Brexit", you are now saying we didn't get a say in implementing UK policy on FOM between 2000 and 2015. We did, we had however many GEs. You can't have it both ways. Either a GE is an acceptable means of "having your say" or it's not.I didn't blame the EU. It's undeniable that FOM is a core policy.
How the UK government chose to implement the policy is not something that voters had any say on.
Well, look up pragmatism, that's what I mean. You want a decent job doing, you hire competent not thieves and crooks.