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Brexit: give me a positive effect... X

Discussion in 'off topic' started by kabayiri, Jan 13, 2021.

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  1. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Apart from the present crisis is this still the case; is it just the junior doctors or GPs?
     
  2. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    :D

    It’s a sign of insecurity among the group, a plea for cancellation.
     
  3. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Oh, it's a Sainsbury in NI.

    I didn't get that one wrong at all. I repeatedly said that the NI Protocol to the WA would place an effective border down the Irish Sea, and break the 300 year old UK Single Market, thus flying directly in the face of the Good Friday Agreement.

    I was told, repeatedly, that there would be no such border.
     
  4. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    Show me a picture of a positive effect then.
     
  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    “300 year old U.K. single market”. Is it a thing in The Spectator? We’ll be getting “300 year old U.K. Schengen area” next.
     
  6. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    Doctors, GPs, nurses. The NHS is massively understaffed (and some 25k returned to their EU countries of origin after the Brexit vote).

    F.e. Westminster Debate Pack from February last year:

    Nursing workforce shortage in England

    The need to recruit and retain an adequate health and care workforce has been described by many commentators as the greatest challenge currently facing the NHS. The Care Quality Commission’s State of Care report for 2018/19 stated that workforce problems are having a direct impact on care.

    Nursing is facing one of the greatest recruitment problems and NHS hospitals and mental health and community providers are currently reporting a shortage of around 40,000 full time equivalent (FTE) nurses. According to analysis conducted by The Health Foundation, The King’s Fund and Nuffield Trust in 2019, on current trends, in 10 years’ time the NHS will have a shortfall of approximately 108,000 full-time equivalent nurses.
     
  7. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    OK, though I’m not exactly sure which one you had in mind, so I’ve quoted both. It’s interesting, because I think you mean the second one, but if you read it in light of the first one, which precedes it on the same page (82, I think), then I think the accusation that hard Remainers are like Trumpists comes through loud and clear. And there’s little enough to make it clear that you mean ‘a bit like some aspects, but not the rioty, insurrectiony bits’. Rather the reverse, to my mind. And, having been called out, you’ve spent much of the last 14 pages weaselling out of it.
     
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  8. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Ah, The Spectator, another of The DeCameron's favoured organs. However, sorry to disappoint, as it wasn't founded until 1828, 121 years after the Act of Union (Scotland), which, amongst its other provisions created a Customs Union between the former Kingdoms of Scotland & England, and 28 years after the Act of Union of 1800, which effected the same between the United Kingdom and Ireland, further amended in 1923 when the Republic of Ireland departed the Union.

    The UK Single Market is an instrumental provision of the Acts of Union, and thus the UK Constitution (as incised, directly in the face of the GFA, by the NI Protocol to the WA) and has precisely sweet FA to do with The Spectator magazine.
     
  9. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    That’s fascinating EV but I wasn’t soliciting a Googled history lesson from you, I was referring to your contrived use of ‘single market’ in the context. That’s what I meant when I said it reeked of Spectator.
     
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  10. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    No problemo: Tory Govt will decree that any nursing qualification from anywhere in the world is good enough.
     
  11. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

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  12. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    We know that Brexit is an absence of positives we used to enjoy Brian.
    We know the UK will not ever have those benefits again.
    We know Brexit negatives will outweigh positives for the vast majority however it is spun by the dishonest.
    We are in mourning for that and for a UK we thought we knew.
    The deception was effective and the dirty deed is done. We don't need to like it.
     
  13. Chefren

    Chefren pfm Member

    What is a hard remainer exactly? If a remainer is someone who wanted to remain in the EU, is a hard remainer someone who wanted to really remain, a lot?
    [​IMG]
     
  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I liked the bit where she tells the committee she had gone through a gamut of emotions over four days then was busy planning Christmas as reasons for failing to carry out her ministerial duty. She too is a victim.
     
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  15. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?



    Brian says these are people who have stated they don't accept the result of the 2016 referendum and just want it overturned.
    When Brian is asked to cite examples of people on here saying that - he ignores the question, we must assume he hasn't found any.
    Brian says these people are awful and undemocratic, which they would be if they existed.

    Meanwhile, many here would like another vote on Brexit featuring the reality, as it appears to be somewhat different to the unaccountable fantasy promises. That isn't ignoring the vote because we left the EU and Brian knows that. But Brian doesn't want another vote, even though that is more democracy not less, because he wishes to cling on to an outcome he favours regardless of the consequences. An informed vote when people know what it really means would obviously threaten that.

    So when Brian says people who he hasn't been able to identify are 'undemocratic' - you may feel there is much irony involved.
     
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  16. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Fish? Tish and pish...
     
  17. Chefren

    Chefren pfm Member

    Thanks, so hard remainers are people who would have wanted parliament to ignore the referendum result (which was not legally binding) and stay in the EU anyway - a moot point now since you left already.

    I didn't know who introduced that concept to this thread so me using a Life of Brian GIF was a coincidence.
     
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  18. Conan

    Conan Loop digger

    What's that?
     
  19. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    Oh, that's all right then, I understand totally. Don't be beastly to the poor woman. Why would an MP and minister have to read through 1000 pages in a couple of days when she could be organizing Christmas instead? Plus all that treaty stuff is dead boring, and it was going to be voted through in a day anyway because of the government's self-imposed "take back control" deadline, so what was the point?
     
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  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Johnson certainly has a mixed-ability class of ministers. His lackey in Scotlandshire, Douglas Ross who’s CV includes lying in addition to not showing up for work and incompetence when he does, has a seat right in the middle of fishing and agriculture country. He’s trying to sneak into the Edinburgh Parliament via the back door as a list candidate, rightly too afraid to put his own name on the ballot paper for his constituency because I think he knows what would happen.
    Mustn’t grumble though, we can vote them out in four years.
     
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