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One of Cummings'great ideas post Brexit is freeports (not necessarily in ports), which allow all sorts of money laundering and dodgy practice to happen, all without anyone paying taxes in the UK.

So Manchester, for example, could be a freeport or Liverpool. Or Leeds. Workers living outside a freeport, but working in one would pay UK tax and NI. The companies making profits in the freeport would not.

These Freeports also don't need to follow the regulations surrounding workers' rights that exist outside them. Sickpay, pensions—even safety standards and environmental regulations—can all be lowered.

This would be one way for the Tories to expand their Britannia Unchained project across the UK while pretending not to.

Think on this when you read the following.

Chris Grayling lands £100k job advising some of UK's top ports

Stephen
 
You are goosed as an equitable democratic nation if your MP's are allowed to accept these roles.

stephen bennett said:
One of Cummings'great ideas post Brexit is freeports (not necessarily in ports), which allow all sorts of money laundering and dodgy practice to happen, all without anyone paying taxes in the UK.

So Manchester, for example, could be a freeport or Liverpool. Or Leeds. Workers living outside a freeport, but working in one would pay UK tax and NI. The companies making profits in the freeport would not.

These Freeports also don't need to follow the regulations surrounding workers' rights that exist outside them. Sickpay, pensions—even safety standards and environmental regulations—can all be lowered.

This would be one way for the Tories to expand their Britannia Unchained project across the UK while pretending not to.

Think on this when you read the following.

Chris Grayling lands £100k job advising some of UK's top ports

Stephen
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TheDecameron said:
Joe Biden,

“We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit. Any trade deal between the U.S. and U.K. must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period”.
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Isn't it strange how quiet Brexiteers are when one of these little problems is discussed ? Surely they have solutions for these obvious issues ?
 
tonerei said:
You are goosed as an equitable democratic nation if your MP's are allowed to accept these roles.
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I think the democracy ship sailed with the referendum vote. It was in preparation for at least 10 years if not longer.

It's why the Tories don't mind losing Scotland and NI. That combined with laws preventing the populace from taking the Government to court will effectively make the rUK a single-party state.

They'll still have a huge amount of tax payers money to syphon off to friends and donors, but elections will effectively just be box ticking exercises—justlike in Russia.

Stephen
 
wacko said:
Look on the bright side: we are watching history unfold in front of our eyes as the UK and USA become untrustworthy, second-rate nationalist shit-stirrers with failing health systems.
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Very one-sided argument. Agreed that their Health system is crap despite the highest expenditure/capita. Crap labour laws, holidays, etc.. However, there are some very good things too in the US.
How many big tech giants do we have in Europe that can challenge the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, MS, etc...? Do you know that the marketcap of Apple is bigger than the entire market cap of FTSE100? Where do you think the next revolution will be? In manufacturing, lol - don't think so? Market cap of Tesla is bigger than the market cap of all the German cars combined. Point is that the US leads in Entrepreneurship and has got an immense ability to commercialise ideas/inventions into very successful international firms.
Why? There's a good-ecosystem of financing start-ups, no-shame in failing and intellectual capital (MIT, Harvard, Stanford,....). Europe has got a huge shortage in AI skills.

BTW, I hate US cars - :cool:
 
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wacko said:
Isn't it strange how quiet Brexiteers are when one of these little problems is discussed ? Surely they have solutions for these obvious issues ?
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To me it is completely expected. It is irrelevant to them. NI has no consequence for them. They don't trust or care about BJ either but project get out of the EU is dear to a lot of peoples hearts. To be fair I would think a lot of them have no real idea of what happened in NI and the dangers.

Edit: When little auld misery guts Jeffrey intervenes it is like the Talking Heads 'Same as it ever was'
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/biden-rhetoric-growing-ridiculous-says-dup/
 
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Very one-sided argument. Agreed that their Health system is crap despite spending the highest expenditure/capital. Crap labour laws, holidays, etc.. However, there are some very good things too in the US.
How many big tech giants do we have in Europe that can challenge the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, MS, etc...? Do you know that the marketcap of Apple is bigger than the entire market cap of FTSE100? Where do you think the next revolution will be? In manufacturing, lol - don't think so? Market cap of Tesla is bigger than the market cap of all the German cars combined. Point is that the US leads in Entrepreneurship and has got an immense ability to commercialise ideas/inventions into very successful international firms.
Why? There's a good-ecosystem of financing start-ups, no-shame in failing and intellectual capital (MIT, Harvard, Stanford,....). Europe has got a huge shortage in AI skills.

- :cool:
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This is why diverting state aid into projects trying to compete with the above tech companies is doomed to failure (Cummings' big idea—UKARPA).

We'd be better off supporting the creative industries, university research and Pharma which is where where do punch above our weight.

Stephen
 
DodgyEars said:
Very one-sided argument. Agreed that their Health system is crap despite spending the highest expenditure/capital. Crap labour laws, holidays, etc.. However, there are some very good things too in the US.
How many big tech giants do we have in Europe that can challenge the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, MS, etc...? Do you know that the marketcap of Apple is bigger than the entire market cap of FTSE100? Where do you think the next revolution will be? In manufacturing, lol - don't think so? Market cap of Tesla is bigger than the market cap of all the German cars combined. Point is that the US leads in Entrepreneurship and has got an immense ability to commercialise ideas/inventions into very successful international firms.
Why? There's a good-ecosystem of financing start-ups, no-shame in failing and intellectual capital (MIT, Harvard, Stanford,....). Europe has got a huge shortage in AI skills.

BTW, I hate US cars - :cool:
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The EU recognise this but the only way to compete is to club together but I agree they also need to figure out how to foster and promote innovation and risk taking.
 
DodgyEars said:
World is evolving my friend, see below analysis by EU:

https://ec.europa.eu/knowledge4poli...-technologies-automation-work-developments_en
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I’m quite aware of the risks posed by automation and expert systems, machine learning and applied statistics (there’s no such thing as AI-I hate that term).

It’s already had consequences for journalism and the legal profession (amongst others) and is likely to hit other professional areas in the same way that robots and automation did to manual Labour.

It’s irrelevant to the point of my post though.

Stephen
 
Pompeo was lite action on the dashing Rabbo yesterday
Trumps envoy today is taking a harder line
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0918/1165918-brexit-ireland/

Amal Clooney is stepping down from a 'media freedom' role.

Whatever transpires with Bojo's just in case internal market bill I would suspect a hardening of attitude and tougher stance on any deal (if any).

To be positive it is another opportunity presented to show Bojo's true colours and style.
 
wacko said:
Isn't it strange how quiet Brexiteers are when one of these little problems is discussed ? Surely they have solutions for these obvious issues ?
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Ah, yes, a bunch of old IRA supporting US senators on one side, and the very deliberate long-game weaponisation of the Irish border and the GFA by Ireland and the EU on the other.

One solution us to leave the lot of them to get on with it. I thought none of us wanted a US trade deal anyway?
 
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:D Classic wannabee Etonian giddy on too much plonk on a Friday night. Inciteful thoughtful deep thinking.
Like the IRA EV hasn't gone away you know
 
eternumviti said:
Ah, yes, a bunch of old IRA supporting US senators on one side, and the very deliberate long-game weaponisation of the Irish border and the GFA by Ireland and the EU on the other.

One solution us to leave the lot of them to get on with it. I thought none of us wanted a US trade deal anyway?
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It's almost like none of the fantasists had anticipated one of the largest, most obvious and earliest signalled of the downsides to this farce.
 
eternumviti said:
Ah, yes, a bunch of old IRA supporting US senators on one side, and the very deliberate long-game weaponisation of the Irish border and the GFA by Ireland and the EU on the other.

One solution us to leave the lot of them to get on with it. I thought none of us wanted a US trade deal anyway?
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Your tasteless phrase of "weaponisation of the Irish border" has been remarked upon before. You still continue to use it though and that speaks volumes. You're ambivalent about what happened on a near neighbour's doorstep in very recent history, sad. Other times you do seem to care, I remember you said that you took an expensive holiday to Greece to help support the Greek economy during the financial crisis.
 
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