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Brexit: give me a positive effect... V

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Brian, Aug 22, 2020.

  1. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Probably not even much about religion any more. Maybe just big fish in a small pond syndrome... and the benefits that come with that.
  2. billo

    billo pfm Member

    Given the current situation we all find ourselves in I think Batshit would be the phrase to use
  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    They’ve voted to break the law. All five living former Prime Ministers have now condemned it.
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr likes this.
  4. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    You presumably have high opinions on each of those 5 living former PMs?
  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Again, Im curious to know how low you are prepared to go in defending Johnson’s actions.
  6. I.D.C.

    I.D.C. pfm Member

    How anyone can defend the breaking of International law is beyond belief. The fact these people cant see it shows you where we are at today. There is a bigger fight to come one of which Westminster has never seen. That's taking away the power of devolution. I have not seen so much anger up here even by none independence voters who are now turning to independence.
  7. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    I fully support Johnson’s Internal Market Bill.
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  8. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    The nations, not so blest as thee,
    Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;
    While thou shalt flourish great and free,
    The dread and envy of them all.
    "Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
    "Britons never will be slaves."
  9. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Of course you do. Laws and treaties are for foreigners to observe.
  10. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Good luck with that, no amount of economic damage or national duplicity will bother the nationalists. Loved Johnson's straw man stance he looked even more pathetic than usual. When cornered just lie. These hypocrites will support him whatever.
  11. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Having no respect for the law is an underlying principle of democracy. Not.

    Been partaking of the black mirror again EV?
  12. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Yes all that pearl clutching early on at the Farage admiration suggestions, it's almost laughable isn't it?
  13. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Trans lives matter more than cis feelings

    Do you remember the good old days when the mask slipped people at least pretended to be surprised?
  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Like Trump, he’s taken over the party, it’s now the Boris Party- their fortunes live and die alongside his. He threw moderate ‘dissenters‘ out of the Party and current dissenters ( like the dreadful Cox) think they can save their reputation by making what they know to be a futile simulation of decency. Once a ruling political party starts to vote in support of law breaking and shutting down scrutiny ( closing parliament, threatening judges and the courts) then you know your society is already in deep trouble. They’ll turn on the public next and they will use force.
    rbrown, jackbarron and tuga like this.
  15. billo

    billo pfm Member

    Now that is strange as it puts forward the plan to set up an un elected body to be in charge of the rules of law pertaining to animal welfare and food standards in the UK. I'm sure I have heard some rumblings on this forum about un elected faceless bureaucrats dictating our policies.
    rbrown, kendo, SteveS1 and 3 others like this.
  16. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    SteveS1 and tuga like this.
  17. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    The religion angle basically (roughly) defines two different tribes. One tribe has been top dog for centuries and is determined to stay there. The other tribe, suppressed for centuries, has suddenly got a whiff of the possibility of equality in its own country and wants it.
  18. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    Except that they were both Celtic in origin, with little or no influence from the Roman/Anglo-Saxon/Norman country to the south of Hadrian's Wall. (The Romans took one look at the Irish Sea and the land beyond, decided that they definitely didn't want to go there, and named it Hibernia (the land of Winter)). John Knox, influenced by the teachings of Jean Calvin in Geneva (he once resided there), did the rest.
  19. KrisW

    KrisW pfm Member

    That's untrue. At the time the Romans left, Lowland Scotland was divided between Britons (speaking a language similar to Welsh) in the West, and Angles in the East, speaking a Germanic language that would become Scots (or English, depending on where you see Scots on the dialect/language scale).

    Those Angles, over time, moved westward and pushed the Britons out of power by the 8th century or so (as the Highland Gaels had earlier done in the opposite direction, to the Picts). By the time of the Plantations, centuries later, the Lowlands had been Scots-speaking and culturally distinct from the Gaelic Highlands for a long time.

    Saying that Scotland is a Celtic nation is just as meaningless as saying that Ireland is. When you come down to it, most of England is Celtic in origin too: there weren't enough Saxons to out-populate (or murder) all of the existing Britons, and over time the Celts assimilated, just as they had with the Romans before.
  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I’m sitting 300m from the remains of a Roman baths and latrine on the Antonine Wall. I’d describe the climate here as indistinguishable from that of Ulster. Tablets that never made the mail back to Rome and found at Vindolanda on Hadrian’s effort would seem to suggest that North Britain wasn’t viewed as a plum posting.

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