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Brexit: give me a positive effect... III

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Brian said:
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It was a get brexit done election.


This is what I meant earlier when I said people really needed to think about what they were voting for at that GE last Dec.
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I think you're right. Part of the problem was that people had been baffled/bamboozled/frustrated by the goings-on in Parliament in the preceding months, allied to the fact that it was an election called on Johnson's timescale. He was on a hook, and should have been left there, but Swinson and Corbyn between them very helpfully got him off it. Then he could present the choice in binary terms, whilst the other parties were sill struggling with what to offer as an alternative to Get Brexit Done.
 
Joe Hutch said:
Surely that was a textbook example of people voting for one thing (Get Brexit Done) and ignoring the bigger picture (a buffoon in No 10 and a bunch of useless clowns in the Cabinet)?
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Actually I think the buffoon and cabinet of all the non-talents were part of the attraction. Boris was the man who swore he’d die in a ditch rather than fail to deliver Brexit. He’d do anything, illegally shut Parliament and even lie to the Queen. Gove, Mogg, Raab and the other zealots would make sure it got dun.
 
TheDecameron said:
Actually I think the buffoon and cabinet of all the non-talents were part of the attraction. Boris was the man who swore he’d die in a ditch rather than fail to deliver Brexit. He’d do anything, illegally shut Parliament and even lie to the Queen,
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Whilst lying down in front of a bulldozer to stop the expansion of Heathrow (looks like he got a lucky break with that one, given what's happened to air travel).
 
Joe Hutch said:
I think you're right. Part of the problem was that people had been baffled/bamboozled/frustrated by the goings-on in Parliament in the preceding months, allied to the fact that it was an election called on Johnson's timescale. He was on a hook, and should have been left there, but Swinson and Corbyn between them very helpfully got him off it. Then he could present the choice in binary terms, whilst the other parties were sill struggling with what to offer as an alternative to Get Brexit Done.
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He was desperate for that election, he saw what he was up against and it paid off. But as you say, he should have been left dangling.
 
TheDecameron said:
Swinson scared everyone away and yes Labour voters went BP then Johnson when it became apparent that he would get Brexit done good and proper, stop the immigrants coming in and lavish some free money on their Boondocks.
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That seems to nail it.

As I’ve said numerous times now, leave supporters swarmed to the tories with small but still significant numbers to the brexit party to ‘get brexit done’.

The remain supporters should have voted Labour where Labour could win a seat, or tactically against the tories where Labour are nowhere. They could always have swung straight back to their Utopia party at the next GE but they didn’t want remain enough to help enable that second referendum.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
That may well be true, but it doesn't counter my point, which was that it was in many cases Labour voters deserting to the BP which swung the election, rather than Remain voters failing to support Labour in favour of the LibDems, which was Brian's argument.
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Agree. My comment wasn't posted to counter. Not sure why Brian thinks Remain voters would support Labour with Corbyn at the helm. Hopefully he will grace us with his presence soon and explain...
 
Brian said:
The remain supporters should have voted Labour where Labour could win a seat, or tactically against the tories where Labour are nowhere. They could always have swung straight back to their Utopia party at the next GE but they didn’t want remain enough to help enable that second referendum.
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We are in agreement, I think. When push came to shove they let Johnson in but not because they wanted Brexit done, far from it. Too many Remainers wouldn't support Corbyn. Brexiteers were prepared to support Johnson no matter what.
 
SteveS1 said:
A good example of the level of Brexiteer comprehension, from one of it's leading 'lights' FFS.
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It reads like the sort of letter that would have been written out long hand and posted to the editor of the DM or Express by an enraged dementee in a Tory Shire or when they weren’t doing that, it would be a similar letter to the Prime Minister, 10 Downing Street, London demanding to know why his bin collection had been reduced in frequency. I was wondering why we hadn’t heard from Corporal Francois lately.
 
matthewr said:
Mark Francois;s letter to Barnier is LOL-tastic.

https://twitter.com/HeleneBismarck/status/1277626670527234048
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Christ! How on earth do you come across such dross? Oh, I know. It’s what twatter is about.

SteveS1 said:
No it wasn't, Corbyn was also a much bigger issue.
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Obviously, I disagree.

Corbyn was an issue, in no small part due to the media campaign against him and what turns out to be internal factions of the Labour party, but brexit was the biggest single issue people voted on, imo.
 
SteveS1 said:
We are in agreement, I think. When push came to shove they let Johnson in but not because they wanted Brexit done, far from it. Too many Remainers wouldn't support Corbyn. Brexiteers were prepared to support Johnson no matter what.
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Just to be clear, I haven’t said remainers wanted brexit done, why would I say that? Remainers didn’t want remain enough to vote for a second referendum. Those that wanted brexit done voted tory and brexit party.
 
Brian said:
Christ! How on earth do you come across such dross? Oh, I know. It’s what twatter is about.


Obviously, I disagree.

Corbyn was an issue, in no small part due to the media campaign against him and what turns out to be internal factions of the Labour party, but brexit was the biggest single issue people voted on, imo.
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Are you referring to the content of the Francois letter or Twitter? When I read it, I thought of the style of many of your posts.
 
TheDecameron said:
Are you referring to the content of the Francois letter or Twitter? When I read it, I thought of the style of many of your posts.
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I don’t like twatter in general.

Anyway, thanks for the latest uncalled for internet snipe. I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but when I see a picture of an angry nationalist skinhead, spitting bile, I think of you. Probably not fair as I don’t know you.
 
Brian said:
I don’t like twatter in general.

Anyway, thanks for the latest uncalled for internet snipe. I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but when I see a picture of an angry nationalist skinhead, spitting bile, I think of you. Probably not fair as I don’t know you.
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Yeahbut did you read the letter?
 
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