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Brexit: give me a positive effect (2022 remastered edition)

Discussion in 'off topic' started by stevec67, Jan 1, 2022.

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  1. mhv

    mhv pfm Member

  2. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    What happened to the great Ministerium for Exiting the European Union? The tens of thousands of new officials who would graduate from Gove Academy, don their hi viz jackets, pick up their clip boards and manage our new customs border with the EU? And now the Victorian Lavatory Chain is sacking 90,000 civil servants, the money from which ‘could go toward tax cuts’ in time for the next general election.

    They’re turning Britain into Venezuela, a failed petro-state but with shit weather.
  6. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    ^ if only the UK had the oil reserves that Venezuela has.
    Or the women.
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  7. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Is this all there is?

    The Cabinet Office has confirmed that all could go on voluntary redundancy terms. That pays one month salary for each year worked, capped at 22 months.

    Even if the CS who go are only those recruited since 2016, that's 6 months' salary (CS median £27k - @ £13.5k = £1.2Bn. Of course, the ones who will go are likely to be those with more months under their belt, so could see a maximum one-off bill of £4.5Bn. Or, over twice the income from a windfall tax on energy providers (

    Whilst that has long term savings, it's not the quick fix ahead of 2024 that it is being spun as.
  8. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    When are they reducing the number of MPs ? From 650 to 450 sounds about right.
  9. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Rainfall figures are comparable. Average there is c850 mm, ours 1100. Both countries have wetter mountainous areas to the west.
  10. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    To be fair we do have a decent supply of women in the UK. They may not look the same as those in Venezuela, but that's a detail.
  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Alright…their foods better.:)
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  12. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    Nice article from today's Irish Times:

    David McWilliams: I have a terrible neighbour, and so do you
    Boris Johnson doesn’t want to ‘get Brexit done’. He wants to keep Brexit going

    The final paragraph:

    Fixing England will take many decades and huge investment to have even a chance of success. That task is well beyond the present government, even if they wanted to build foundations now. Far easier to wave the false flag, create phoney conflicts, threaten smaller countries like Ireland and put the theme of The Dam Busters on repeat.

    It’s so tiresome to have a neighbour like this.

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  13. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    The weather's very nice down here.
  14. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Same here. Tory Brexit, however, is, and always will be, shit.
  15. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    You don’t want a filled potty too long in the lorry in hot weather!
  16. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    Your amusing post on Unwin was taken in the spirit in which it was meant, worry not. I just couldn't resist my slightly barbed response into a rather beautiful open goal that I never expected to be a match winner, for exactly the reasons, well-anticipated, you have now articulated

    I remain intrigued by your many detailed elaborations on MMT, and your suspicion that I mightn't be clever enough to comprehend it is not wide of the mark. The reason why I never responed to your kind PM of a few months ago remains that I simply haven't found the time and mental capacity to attempt to absorb it.

    I see quite a bit of one of the young economics graduates that I mentioned, and I will indeed convey your points to him, ensuring that I do so well before I have taken any drink!
  17. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    My point there was not so much that we might be too dim to understand the answers, but that the answers are not based on truth. As an example, if I were to get into an argument about the existence of God with St Thomas Aquinas, I doubt I would understand his arguments, but that would not make what he says convincing. Aquinas might be cleverer than me, he might win the argument, but he would still be wrong. Hence my suggestion that rather than asking about MMT, you ask for proof the Monetarist assumption about the role of tax, and if you don’t understand the answer, be suspicious, not of your own capacity to understand, but of an answer that does not lend itself to ready comprehension.

    I don’t think it is so much that economics is itself that difficult to understand as economics has been made difficult to understand by economists. Economists hide their secrets behind the complex language of maths in much the same way that priests and theologians of old hid behind Latin and obscure philosophical arguments.
  18. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Sorry about the late reply Nero I was away at a little show in Munich so a bit distracted. No unfortunately not I pay the subscription as my wife enjoys the Irish Times on a Saturday. Like all of these things the prices are creeping up all the time.
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  19. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    It's ok @eternumviti said it's all down to P&O, nothing to see here, move along.
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  20. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    So they can stand far enough apart not to overlook each other`s phones?
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