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Brexit: give me a positive effect (2022 remastered edition) II

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There was perhaps a time when a UK government would have been ashamed to be reprimanded for deliberately trying to mislead or conceal, but no matter these days. Not a probem. Don't like this load a B/S? There will soon be another when the fuss breaks down or just keep lying on such a scale that people cease to care. Oh and claim "they are all the same" as you slide back into the lobby.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23184628.watchdog-reprimands-tories-claim-800bn-post-brexit-deals/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62833111?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...reprimanded-after-misleading-employment-claim

....and on and on.
 
kendo said:
"Come down"?....I must have missed the "high" bit. ;)
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If you were alive in the 90s and noughties and in work, especially if you owned a house, I reckon you had it pretty good. There was a decent amount of work, after the horrors of the 80s, housing was affordable, at least to about 2000, everyone could afford heating and petrol, inflation and interest rates were low and salaries reasonable. Healthcare received considerable investment post 1997 and doctors and dentists' surgeries worked. there were a few cockups (9/11, Iraq war, financial crisis) but on the whole it was better than what we'd seen before (Winter of Discontent, strikes, collapse of industry) and what we have now (Winter of food and heating crises, strikes, corruption at the highest level of UK government, war in Europe, etc)
Sometime towards the end of this comparatively decent period, people decided that they didn't want to pay for any of these services, because, well, dunno about you Jack but I don't much like paying tax, and I haven't been to hospital or need benefits, so why should I have to pay for it when I can use that money to buy a bigger house? The rest you know.

So no rose tinted specs there, but yes, this is a come down. It's not hit the bottom yet, so brace yourself. I hope you have plenty of money, you'll be needing it.
 
The US economy will crash soon and the ripples will be of tsunamic proportions
BrExit has left us very vulnerable
It’s worrying
 
eternumviti said:
Generally considered to be the Olympic Games in sunny Stratford.

I think it involved quite a bit of 'wallowing in nostalgia', which is popular here.
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Can you just imagine what the last culture secretary would have inserted if it was these days? The empty triumphalist crowing of Brexit Unchained, Boris theming a Pickaninny Watermelon march past for the royal box, a flooded stage with Rear Admiral Francois seeing off the armada of Albanians, two to a Li-lo. It’s a Knock Out but with authentic looking drownings.

The planning, the content concept and delivery of 2012’s Olympics was all driven by the Labour government and it showed. Britain was a somewhat less bleak and isolated country then.
 
tuga said:
Northern rednecks looking farther right?

‘We didn’t vote for this’: anger over Brexit failures is haunting the Tories
All along the red wall, those who gave the Conservatives their election victory in 2019 feel betrayed, with some turning to the Reform UK party to deliver on policies such as immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-conservatives-reform-uk-party-immigration
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I love this narrative that the Tories have turned into "consocialists" or "Blue Labour". Nice match with the other narrative about Red Tories. Does this mean that the UK is really ruled by a broad centrist coalition? It doesn't feel like it.
 
tuga said:
Northern rednecks looking farther right?

‘We didn’t vote for this’: anger over Brexit failures is haunting the Tories
All along the red wall, those who gave the Conservatives their election victory in 2019 feel betrayed, with some turning to the Reform UK party to deliver on policies such as immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-conservatives-reform-uk-party-immigration
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Yes indeed. I work with these people, just up the road from Goldthorpe. A lot of our staff live in Goldthorpe or towns like it. They are unredeemed shxtholes with low employment and huge rates of crime and alcohol / drugs misuse. They are starting to work out that they have been fxxed by the current government. They absolutely did vote for this, though. They may not have thought that they were, but they did. Now they are going to get it.
 
tuga said:
Northern rednecks looking farther right?

‘We didn’t vote for this’: anger over Brexit failures is haunting the Tories
All along the red wall, those who gave the Conservatives their election victory in 2019 feel betrayed, with some turning to the Reform UK party to deliver on policies such as immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-conservatives-reform-uk-party-immigration
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Oh good- the right wing anti-immigration vote split between Reform and Conservatives at the GE.
 
PsB said:
I love this narrative that the Tories have turned into "consocialists" or "Blue Labour". Nice match with the other narrative about Red Tories. Does this mean that the UK is really ruled by a broad centrist coalition? It doesn't feel like it.
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It's just the usual failure to acknowledge that they screwed up. Since that's not an option they have to find an excuse.
 
tuga said:
Seems like some Labour voters are really conservative nationalists and don't know it (or would rather not)...
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That's been known to be the case for years in the areas now known as the Red Wall. Socially conservative, but Labour voting. Brexit allowed Conservatives to exploit this. Get Brexit done. Give the money to the NHS. Great stuff, let's do that. The results are now being seen.
 
stevec67 said:
That's been known to be the case for years in the areas now known as the Red Wall. Socially conservative, but Labour voting. Brexit allowed Conservatives to exploit this. Get Brexit done. Give the money to the NHS. Great stuff, let's do that. The results are now being seen.
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Sadly "getting Brexit done" just translated into stopping immigration for a lot of them, which is why they are on their way to the Reform (sic) Party. When these people are interviewed about Brexit not working, you will hear little of the economic disaster and a lot about small boats.

Farage is their folk hero, the industrial scale damage to their services, the shovelling of vast somes of public money into private wealth is totally lost on them. Still this could finally destroy the Tories and split the right, so not all bad.
 
Entirely predictable that all the brexit supporters and voters are now decrying it because they didn’t get the brexit they wanted, or how it would have worked if only the government had gone in harder, and been more brexity.

Instead we now have precisely the brexit that remain supporters were afraid of, and warned about over and over again.
 
Graham B said:
Entirely predictable that all the brexit supporters and voters are now decrying it because they didn’t get the brexit they wanted, or how it would have worked if only the government had gone in harder, and been more brexity.
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A North Korea Plus Brexit?
 
People that voted for Brexit should be indentured to those that didn’t until the debt for their stupidity is paid in full.
 
SteveS1 said:
Sadly "getting Brexit done" just translated into stopping immigration for a lot of them, which is why they are on their way to the Reform (sic) Party. When these people are interviewed about Brexit not working, you will hear little of the economic disaster and a lot about small boats.
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Yes indeed, this was always the case, but I'm not allowed to say "racist Brexit voter". Oops. That one just slipped out.

Farage is their folk hero, the industrial scale damage to their services, the shovelling of vast somes of public money into private wealth is totally lost on them. Still this could finally destroy the Tories and split the right, so not all bad.
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First sentence, yes. Second, sadly no. The Red Wall aren't going to vote Conservative again for a VERY long time. If they vote Reform, it will take from the traditional labour base. The far right have frequently profited from the disenfranchised, after all. Is your life crap? Made some poor life choices? Not your fault, mate. It's the fault of these immigrants, coming over here...what you want is your country back. The rest you know.
 
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stevec67 said:
If you were alive in the 90s and noughties and in work, especially if you owned a house, I reckon you had it pretty good. There was a decent amount of work, after the horrors of the 80s, housing was affordable, at least to about 2000, everyone could afford heating and petrol, inflation and interest rates were low and salaries reasonable. Healthcare received considerable investment post 1997 and doctors and dentists' surgeries worked. there were a few cockups (9/11, Iraq war, financial crisis) but on the whole it was better than what we'd seen before (Winter of Discontent, strikes, collapse of industry) and what we have now (Winter of food and heating crises, strikes, corruption at the highest level of UK government, war in Europe, etc)
Sometime towards the end of this comparatively decent period, people decided that they didn't want to pay for any of these services, because, well, dunno about you Jack but I don't much like paying tax, and I haven't been to hospital or need benefits, so why should I have to pay for it when I can use that money to buy a bigger house? The rest you know.

So no rose tinted specs there, but yes, this is a come down. It's not hit the bottom yet, so brace yourself. I hope you have plenty of money, you'll be needing it.
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Not sure about your interest rate claim.
SVR in 1990 was 10.13%
It steadily came down to 6.85 in 1999.
 
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