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Brexit: give me a positive effect (2022 remastered edition) II

Discussion in 'off topic' started by eternumviti, Jun 20, 2022.

  1. Realist

    Realist pfm Member

    Yeah, the bastards!
     
  2. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    Was she planning to wrap them in it?
     
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  3. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    Liz has been told that the US-UK trade deal is not to be. No doubt the Brexit headbangers will tell us that it doesn't matter and that China is the future.
     
  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    It means full Singapore-on-North Sea, fully unchained and fully enabled by the patriotic Brexit voters. They bit the big one and we are all going to pay through the nose for it.
     
  5. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    Liz does seem to be moving in that direction. EV will be delighted.
     
  6. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    From the FT:

    "Finally, the Brexit that economic liberals wanted. While most supporters of leaving the EU were motivated by issues of sovereignty and immigration, a cadre of free-market Tories saw it as the gateway to the fabled Singapore-on-Thames.

    A lean, deregulated, low-tax state was the only logical economic strategy for a nation putting up barriers with its largest trading market. We are about to see how far down that river this vision takes us."

    Krugman via Twitter:

    "What's really amazing is that surging interest rates have been accompanied by a *plunge* in the pound. This is not supposed to happen in advanced countries: we expect deficit spending to drive up interest rates and make the currency *rise*, which is what happened under Reagan.

    But Britain is now trading like a developing country, where perceived fiscal irresponsibility is undermining confidence in the value of its currency."
     
  7. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    This was The Game all along. They lied about it and sprinkled myths of cheaper food and lower household bills for the great British housewife, it was economic Shangri-La, the Commonwealth was dying to make deals with us and their friend Trump was ordering his guys to sharpen their pencils and deliver a free trade deal to us on a plate. We held all the cards.

    Any allusion to what it has now actually turned out to be was labelled Project Fear spread by remoaners, traitors and saboteurs.

    The 2010 Westminster intake ultimately delivered monsters into power who made Thatcher’s shower look like Liberals. Zealots hiding among the ideology- free, the corrupt and the idlers like Johnson and they’ve now finally climbed on top of his political corpse.
     
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  8. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

  9. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Cameron’s Brexit referendum pledge appears to have opened the gates to Pandemonium.
     
  10. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Remember Leadsom telling the NFU “you’ll still get all your subsidies and you won’t have to put a sign up in your field telling everyone it came from the EU”? and that they would be guaranteed access to cheap foreign labour as before.
     
  11. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Yes, but the farmers maintained a healthy scepticism, many having hands on manure experience, didn't they?
    Er...
     
  12. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    We have Indeed Brexited into the arena of the unwell.
     
  13. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Singapore being much maligned. In fact Singapore has built what we would call council houses for a larger proportion of its population. There is virtually zero unemployment. Very good health system. The standard of living has improved dramatically over the last 50 years by Governments that cared.
     
  14. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    "The promised gains have been slow in coming, to put it mildly. The costs are palpable. To take just this summer’s holiday woes, nobody voted for roaming charges, pet-passport hassles and long immigration queues at foreign airports.

    Worse, we are squandering jobs, money and prestige. It was easier for the Beatles to play in Hamburg 60 years ago than it is for musicians to tour the continent now. London’s once-thriving international art market is another casualty. “You could put a painting under your arm and bring it home on the Eurostar,” recalls Danny Katz, one of our top dealers, of the days when Britain was in the single market. Now VAT is levied on imports, plus further duties on sales back into the EU.

    Customs bureaucracy, once non-existent, is burdensome, he says: an export licence can take six months, while shipping charges are up five-fold. On-the-spot sales at big European art fairs are impossible: you must first bring the exhibited piece back to Britain and then re-export it. The result is a slump in a multibillion-pound industry. China has already taken second place from us, as ever more business, for auction houses, restorers and others, shifts
    to Paris. We have made life more costly, dull and vexing, in order to do what, exactly?

    During the referendum campaign, the EU’s critics falsely dismissed all such looming difficulties as alarmism; sorting them out now looks unanswerably sensible. It will also create momentum. Each practical benefit regained underlines what we so carelessly lost, and stokes the appetite for further progress. The medium-term goal should be truly frictionless free trade, not the bureaucratic mess we have now. Booming ties with our largest trading partner will do more for growth than borrowing money to cut taxes.

    Most important is security. Nobody voted to make life easier for our enemies. Nato is our main defence alliance but not the only one. The EU’s market size and rule-setting power make it a vital ally. The Biden administration understands that."


    If only such consequences could have been predicted eh?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dems-can-harness-disillusion-with-brexit-30nknrtpx
     
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  15. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    ...making an enemy of our own future.
     
  16. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    You mean England could become a country of Coffey lookalikes swimming in their own sh"te.
     
  17. Nero

    Nero Don’t call me Bud

    Yep, they’ve solved the litter problem too :rolleyes:
     
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    At least a man can still p1ss in a lift in this country
     
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  19. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Is that seriously a big deal for you ?
     
  20. LecsonQuad

    LecsonQuad pfm Member

    Singapore is probably the only 'benign' dictatorship in the world. It has many benefits but is not for everyone. It is a one party state. If you don't support that party you are 're-educated' or you leave. The prime minister is the son of the guy who took Singapore away from Malaya and earns $2.2 million a year. It works partly because of it's position and the fact that there is almost no unemployment benefit. Try telling a British 'fatty' that being over weight is not a disabilty and get a job or starve ... I spend time travelling in South East Asia and a lot of people in surrounding countries would like to live like Singapore but I don't think that model would work in a big country and there is probably only space for one or 2 Singapores in the world.I don't think the UK is one of them.
     

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