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At last... (Audiolab) - part I

Discussion in 'audio' started by sq225917, Aug 5, 2010.

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  1. Papa Lazarou

    Papa Lazarou Hello Daaaaaaave!!!!!

    Indeed and at a fair price. How the Weiss DAC202 is worth £4k is beyond me.
     
  2. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Ron I will,I shall also compare it to the two new M2Tech dacs.
    Keith.
     
  3. cromodora

    cromodora foshfishfie

    Really?
    I thought most would like to see it murder a Lavry DA10.
     
  4. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Value in Hi Fi. LOL Did you feel the same way about Esoteric, Naim, Meridian CDPs?
     
  5. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    I take it you have heard one?
    Keith.
     
  6. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    No DAC is or should be worth that much.
     
  7. Bolle

    Bolle Active Member

    Great!!!
    Looking forward to getting a DQ, or maybe a CDQ although I'm 100% converted to streaming music.
    You're keeping me on the audiolab bandwagon, got a 8000a in '93, moved to an AV32R in 2004, and now a DQ/CDQ...
     
  8. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    Let's start another thread to criticise the 4k DACs eh?
     
  9. Paul3

    Paul3 pfm Member

    Yeh, DACs and anything else that's desirable and most people cannot afford.;)
     
  10. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    Sounds like you've met my wife ;)
     
  11. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    The 8200CDQ is about the exact same spec as the new ATC CD/DAC/Pre which is due in a few months time, I'd like to see these two fight it out. Hopefully a few more will realise the needs for digital preamps with analog input/s and a fully balanced circuit.
     
  12. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    Paul , don't assume because people are unwilling to pay for something they consider overpriced that they can't afford it. I'm not prepared to pay 4k for something that a quick calculation tells me cost less than 1/4 of that to produce. But I wouldn't criticise those who are.
     
  13. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    I very much doubt it even costs that much.
     
  14. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Such a specious argument with Hi Fi. Nobody pays for what they perceive something costs to make. They make value judgement on what anything brings to the enjoyment of their music.

    No range of products ever produces improvement that is directly proportional to additional cost, and nothing that costs double is ever twice as good. But people are prepared to pay for improvement. Conversely if they feel they get improvement or parity for spending significantly less ....they will rip your arm off. Trust me.

    Steve
     
  15. Paul3

    Paul3 pfm Member

    I didn't make the assumption, but why dismiss something because of the price. The important thing is how it sounds. If an item gives you pleasure, then it could be worth the cost.

    It does not matter how much the parts inside cost either, you're paying for the knowledge to design and build.

    As you know I have auditioned some expensive equipment, and I was willing to pay it's price, but it did not perform. The price should not make you dismiss an item, high or low. ie DacMagic
     
  16. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    I don't expect to pay what something cost to make I'm just not prepared to pay 10x or more what it cost to make. We all understand diminishing returns and all have different fall off points along that path.

    In this case it isn't a range of products producing an improvement that is directly proportional to additional cost, it's about a new product showing how extortionate the cost is of some of the competition and how easily we've been sucked into believing that this price level should be the status quo.

    I base my purchases on value for money, that includes both performance, designers kill and component spec.
     
  17. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Well its Swiss innit? Nothing much cheap comes out of Switzerland, even sausages are expensive.

    Its no doubt an excellent Dac both in SQ and functionality, and it obviously made for and priced to the domestic market.

    Didnt Weiss make two Dacs before, one studio version and one domestic, apart from the cases the internals were exactly the same, however the price of the domestic Dac was double the studio version?
     
  18. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    The issue with many folk is the perception of the price bracket, if it's £4K its must be good right. And the designer, no matter what rules and designs he/shes borrowed, copied or invented has sweat blood to gain such perfection, and you're lucky you can buy it for as little ...... after all, this is the high end don't you know.
     
  19. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    IIRC DAC2 and Minerva, the domestic version was 99% the same inside yet its was 3x more expensive.... it's a nice case but £4K extra, i can hear the highend marketing department calling again. ;)
     
  20. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    I for one am happy JohnW has done this, it matters squat where electronic circuits are made, they're a 99% robotic process so its just down to QC/QC. I'm looking forward to this hopefully changing the status quo in DAC's, before the hi-end ditch CDP's completely and reinvent their existing frontends and start producing 10K DAC's in the process.
     
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