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Are we the last 'Hifi' generation?

Discussion in 'audio' started by RoA, May 25, 2023.

  1. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    It saddens me more that most kids listen to random songs instead of whole albums and often not focusing that much on what they listen than audiophiles becoming extinct.
  2. John

    John Rack’em Up!

    I wouldn’t necessarily say that. Check out this video.

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  3. krenzler

    krenzler pfm Member

  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There are no shortcuts. There’s certainly no ‘one-stop shop’ for the stuff I like and buy.

    My techniques are to follow artists and record labels I like on Twitter, Bandcamp and YouTube, subscribe to the weekly new releases email of all the record shops I like (and also catch-up on the record shop best of year lists to see what I’ve missed). I’m a vinyl buyer so like to get in real early on some very limited releases so my approach is targeted to this, and most of the time it works. The key to this approach is just about everything is on YouTube, i.e. if something looks interesting in say the Rough Trade pre-orders list I can usually find a couple of tracks there and make a decision if I’m likely to like it, even if it is inly a track from a past single or album. I’ve also got a record shop so moving stuff on if I decide it doesn’t make the cut is usually easy, especially if it is a long-sold out limited issue.

    The ‘forthcoming vinyl releases’ and ‘best of year’ threads in the music room here often turn up interesting stuff. I’ve bought quite a lot thanks to other’s recommendations here on pfm across many genres. There’s a lot of great stuff floating around.
  5. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

  6. gustav_errata

    gustav_errata pfm Member

    I can say with absolute confidence that, for example, a techno song with a Rick Beato-approved number of chords and song structure would a) sound cheesy as hell and b) wouldn't be techno. Much of current pop music is strongly influenced by club music and so it follows similar patterns. He doesn't understand that though, and he seems to view everything through the lens of 1970s rock/pop songwriting.

    Anyway pop music is less relevant than it ever has been because it's so easy for music fans to find music outside of the major label mainstream.
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  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    My intention wasn’t to knock Beato, I like him and subscribe to his channel. He’s one of the good guys. His musical analysis is amazing, especially on jazz, Joni etc. I just see him as very biased against electronic music, and very pro a type of classic rock that I don’t really connect with. I’d actually love to see his reaction to some Aphex Twin, Squarepusher or even Stockhausen. The most ‘out there’ he gets seems to be say Radiohead or Keith Jarrett, both of whom I love. I’d still like to see him analyse say Coltrane’s Interstellar Space!
  8. gustav_errata

    gustav_errata pfm Member

    Benn Jordan (aka The Flashbulb) has a good electronic music / production / industry (+ occasional science and social issues) channel. I recommend.
  9. krenzler

    krenzler pfm Member

    I didn't hear any techno in that Spotify chart? I like stuff like Underworld, Faithless and Chemical Brothers but that is old hat by now I guess (and not very hardcore).

    It takes a bit of talent to put together a great pop/rock tune with verses/chorus/bridge/melody that sticks both short and longterm. A bit of a lost art these days where it's mostly a monotone beat with a heavily manipulated vocal on top.
  10. Joe P

    Joe P Memory Alpha incarnate / mod

    Despite dwindling numbers I don't think audiophiles will become extinct. The audiophile population has not passed the lower threshold of individuals needed to ensure that inbreeding effects do not dominate. We might get to that point, but the breeding audiophile population is not perilously low yet.

    But, more to the point, the Human Genome Project has isolated and stored copies of key audiophile genes, so in principal if the species became extinct it could be resurrected once genetic techniques are developed. It's a decade or more away, but it's certainly feasible and more than likely.

    The main audiophile genes stored by the Human Genome Project are the following —
    • The what-if gene: This gene is the one that makes an audiophile wonder, "Hey, what if I tightened the bolt holding my tonearm just a bit more?" or "What if I give valves a go after decades of using solid state amps?" Sometimes it takes the form of putting coins under spikes after nailing equipment to the floor because what if the spikes are making things worse.

    • The box gene: This gene predisposes the audiophile to keep the original box kit came in just in case an upgrade is on the horizon and the item is more likely to be sold with an original box rather than something picked up at Staples and packed with Styrofoam peanuts or bubble wrap

    • The monkey crap gene: This gene predisposes the audiophile to stop and squat so ears are in the sweet spot when entering a listening room of a friend or a hi-fi dealer's showroom

    • The 25-seconds of the amazing LP gene: This gene makes the audiophile play the first 25 seconds of a sonically treasured album to either evaluate new equipment or to show off the hi-fi to rivals; note duration: exactly 25 seconds, no more, no less

    • The remove grille and press woofer gene: Self-explanatory, but in case this behaviour is unfamiliar it's performed whenever an audiophile is wondering if something is wrong with the system (see what if gene); this gene is often co-expressed with the touch metal dome tweeter gene

    • The careless whisper gene: This gene makes it possible for an audiophile to hear a female singer's breath with greater clarity than the singer's voice; this gene is found only in male audiophiles —Y chromosome-linked, obviously

    • The ability to evaluate kit from YouTube videos: Despite lossy compression and cheap laptop speakers, this gene gives audiophiles the ability to assess kit from videos online; it's a form of super hearing despite having tinnitus and hearing loss around 8–12kHz in the left ear
    I think the species will survive. And the genes are safely stored — cryogenically, no less! — should the unthinkable happen.

  11. gustav_errata

    gustav_errata pfm Member

    I didn't suggest there was any.
  12. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    and the sample was taken with no pain or inconvenience at all. Unless i was asleep, as is usual now.
  13. foxwelljsly

    foxwelljsly Me too, I ate one sour too.

    I very much doubt that making recorded music sound loud and clear is ever going to go completely out of fashion.
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  14. marshanp

    marshanp ellipsis addict

    The Videoton Minimax (if you got a good pair - they were a bit variable) was a great speaker. Mine have been here, there and everywhere and still make excellent music every day 47 years after I bought them.

    Headphones... There seem to me to be two fundamental ways of listening to recorded music, both of them perfectly valid: with other people, or on your own. Perhaps the ready availability of good reproduction via headphones is changing our relationship with music?
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  15. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    It isn’t a new thing either, e.g. I’d rate Grandmaster Flash’s The Message as one of the best singles ever. Just one repetitive loop and vocal for 8 minutes or so, and the 12” sounds astonishingly good from an audiophile perspective too. Complex certainly doesn’t mean good.

    I watched his current chart video and liked a couple of them, e.g. the SZA (I nearly bought the album when it was released a month or so ago). I almost liked one of the others too. My main criticism is I personally hate auto-tune and it is still everywhere for some reason that escapes me. To my ears it is more of a cliche than even DX7 or D50 presets were back in the ‘80s. It has to date soon, surely? Every now and again it crops up in something I really like, e.g. Yeule’s Glitch Princess from last year, but most of the time it just sounds so lazy and formulaic.

    I’ve no idea how the Spotify charts work or how regional they are. I was certainly surprised how much latin stuff always ends up in the one Beato selects, though doesn’t appear to be in the list when I google ‘spotify chart’. I assume there are more than one. I’m not a subscriber so can’t really dig in too far here.

    PS For techno with Beato chords:

  16. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    True that a get together for headphone listening may not be much fun.
  17. Lurch

    Lurch pfm Member

    Radio Paradise (internet radio done properly) is a good starting place. Flac or MQA output + phone App so can BT to car/listen on walkabout, eclectic mix, song artist & album displayed whilst playing.
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  18. Rob Stockman

    Rob Stockman pfm Member

    I got into HiFi unusually at the age of 14, and by the age of 18 was working part time at a typical Linn/Naim/Rega/etc independant HiFi shop (late 80's)... I went to various HiFi shows, and they were mostly "old men" wandering about.... Now I am that "old man" at the age of 51. Still cant afford to buy new what I'd want, but at least have the experience and knowledge to get a good second hand bargain every now and then. Serious audio reproduction has always been for 2 different types: for those that can afford rediculous expensive items ("badge") and those that have super hearing and delight in that extra information. The Venn diagram for the two groups dont have a large overlap.
  19. gustav_errata

    gustav_errata pfm Member

    That's breakcore / drum'n'bass not techno :cool:. I've seen him live. He says on the bass guitar. Beato would approve.

    I'm talking about : , , etc. Stripped back four on the floor stuff that, if it has a melody at all it is based on a four bar loop within the confines of which too many chords sounds cheesy. Even the more melodic house is largely built around the four bar loop and that's ok, it's part of the form so much that deviation from it is jarring.

    Anyway sorry I'm pulling the thread too far off topic.
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  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Likewise, he is an astonishing musician. I love the Shobaleader stuff where he assembled a live band to play the seemingly impossible sequenced Squarepusher stuff.

    Fair enough, and I’ve an appropriate helping of that stuff in my collection and a lot of memories from various clubs in Liverpool and That London.

    PS A lot of the best music in many genres is long and repetitive IMO, e.g. Krautrock, stoner rock, space rock etc. In the classic rock arena I’d take early Hawkwind or The Stooges over anything by say Led Zeppelin. Real masters such as Can could stretch a groove over a full album side and keep it interesting:

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