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Anyone ever run a Mercedes 190E? Any good?

Thank you for all the replies. Lots of wise words indeed.
I am moving to the view that a 190E would not be a good choice for me. Maybe they are just getting too old. .
Yes, they are. The time to buy a 1992 190E was sometime around the late 90s or early noughties, and with care it would have been a good car for maybe another 10 years or so before it started getting troublesome and handing in big bills. For 10k miles a year it would have been great and would have needed only minimal repairs. However once it got beyond 15 years/150k miles the faults and wear would have become apparent and the snag is that they start to gang up on you. So you get to the stage where the thing is consuming a bit of oil. OK, we can live with that. Eventually I'll have to repair it but it will last a year or two like this. Then the gearbox starts to wear, nothing much at first but 2nd and 3rd are getting a bit baulky, especially with a cold engine. No trouble, just double it into gear when cold. The PAS leaks a bit, but you can keep that topped up. The aircon packed up a while ago. The back axle whines a bit under acceleration. Well, it's an old car. You can live with this. It's an old car and it feels a bit that way, but there you are.
Then it's MoT time. Hmm, says the man, it needs a new brake caliper and that's trashed the disc. There's a bit of routine bush wear and the odd bit of suspension needs doing. Say a broken spring or leaky shocker. You're doing 10 k miles a year after all. But worst of all the brake lines are corroded. It's a 15 year old car, these things happen. Sorry mate, but this is a lot of work, about £800. Maybe £1k.
What are you going to do? Sort out the MoT, knowing that the engine is worn, the gearbox likewise, the back axle whines, there's no aircon and you have to top up the PAS every fortnight? Or are you going to bite the bullet and get an engine rebuild, gearbox, axle, PAS repair? £4-5k on a car worth, what? Less than that. You're in a bind. You spend £1k on a car that isn't nice to drive and that might come back and bite you or you spend more than the thing is worth on making it nice. Or you get rid.
Old cars, especially old luxury cars, are like some women I knew in my younger days. They were fun but you needed to know that it wasn't for ever and to have an exit strategy to deploy when necessary and know where the fire exits were in case of the need for a hasty exit.
 
On a family holiday to Germany we rented one back in the late 80s (my dad was driving) and all I remember was the rear seats were rock hard to the point of being rather uncomfortable on long journeys, which seems line up with @psi310398 's comment.
 
I had one when it was 4 years old, in the early '90s, it was a lovely, smooth, car to drive, but it wasn't very reliable, even then...
I've also owned a 1994 320E estate, it was 14 years old at the time and the repairs were averaging over £3000 per annum.
 
Thank you for all the replies. Lots of wise words indeed. I have looked into these cars a bit. I even bought a 190E buyers guide a couple of years ago when I first noticed these cars.

I am moving to the view that a 190E would not be a good choice for me. Maybe they are just getting too old. I am pretty handy with cars and can do most jobs, including a full engine swap, but I do not enjoy that level of mechanical work anymore. Life's too short.

^^^ This

If you're not looking for a maintenance project (as that's what it'll be) or don't want to ship it out to a trusted friendly indy; the I agree, it's not the car for you...

At the age these are at now; a) their prices are going up for decent spec/well looked after examples and the cheaper examples are ones that will need a lot of work!
 
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And your point is? The engine had Cosworth parts, but it wasn't a Cosworth engine and it was never sold as a Cosworth car; just known as a Cosworth
It had Cosworth parts and Cosworth expertise breathed over it. That counts as quite a bit more than just a label. Not sure it even had a label on the bodywork, but it is known by all as a 190e Cosworth, not sure what else there is to discuss.
 
It had Cosworth parts and Cosworth expertise breathed over it. That counts as quite a bit more than just a label. Not sure it even had a label on the bodywork, but it is known by all as a 190e Cosworth, not sure what else there is to discuss.

That's exactly what I've said... Are you ok?!
 
And your point is? The engine had Cosworth parts, but it wasn't a Cosworth engine and it was never sold as a Cosworth car; just known as a Cosworth

Bit like the Escorts then, no? :) Take a standard block and manufacture a new twin cam head with custom pistons - it is a recipe that has worked for them time and again.
 
Bit like the Escorts then, no? :) Take a standard block and manufacture a new twin cam head with custom pistons - it is a recipe that has worked for them time and again.

Cosworth breathed on the Merc engines; they do hell of a lot more for the Fords...

All I'm stating is that they're known as Cosworths, but they're not a 'Cosworth'... Never have been, never sold as one, never will be... Still a 190E
 
Bit like the Escorts then, no? :) Take a standard block and manufacture a new twin cam head with custom pistons - it is a recipe that has worked for them time and again.
the top gear article makes me think mercedes weren't having any cosworth branding anywhere near their car!
 
As per your link:

"
Eight things you never knew about the Mercedes 190E Cosworth
And no, not the fact that it was never officially called that."
 


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