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Any air cooled 911 experts here?

richardg

richardg

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26575296...d=link&campid=5338728743&toolid=20001&mkevt=1

Ive just sold another portion of my business and have no interest in holding cash in the bank or investing in stock markets or property. I want to invest in things I've slways dreamt of owning.

Either it makes money or I get my money back, I don't mind the running costs.. Is it likely to happen with this 911? It's the exact spec for me, 80s 3.2, guards red, Fuchs wheels, whale tail, sunroof, pinstripe interior. Just no clue about them...eg I would rather have air con but dont even know if it was an option in the 80s.
 
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Gorgeous, my favourite model (and colour) too. I thought they were more expensive than this, usually ?
 
Not for those objects, I thought ... Aesthetic-wise it is the last of the really beautiful 911 IMO. After that, the tail was slightly modified and from then on, things went downhill towards the shapeless monster we have nowadays.
 
I can't say i've owned one, but i've spent plenty of miles in them (my dad had a 2.7RS in the 70s, in that red colour, and owns a 930 turbo which he's had since the 80s). That one looks lovely to me, pretty much as I remember them. The AC on these cars takes space out of the passenger footwell for some reason, so if you expect to spend time with a passenger who is tall, it's a bit of a pain, and you loose the cassette holder in the front dash for the climate controls, which is a shame as it's such a design classic ;)

Other than that, i'm struggling to see anything much to say beyond the engine bay is the cleanest i've ever seen on one of these! Oh, the leather dash at the bottom of the windscreen tends to shrink with age, so that's also worth checking if there's photos available, and I can't remember those side indicators/reflectors on the 930, but looking at images on the web they seem to be standard on the 3.2, so maybe that's just my memory. It's also go one of those cute powered aerials in the wing which are a pain to replace when they fail, and tend to rust the wing, so another thing to check, but it looks clean from the photos.

Love it.
 
For me too, they just got less elegant, starting with the 964. 993 is boss eyed and has horrible wheels.
 
Cesare said:
I can't say i've owned one, but i've spent plenty of miles in them (my dad had a 2.7RS in the 70s, in that red colour, and owns a 930 turbo which he's had since the 80s). That one looks lovely to me, pretty much as I remember them. The AC on these cars takes space out of the passenger footwell for some reason, so if you expect to spend time with a passenger who is tall, it's a bit of a pain, and you loose the cassette holder in the front dash for the climate controls, which is a shame as it's such a design classic ;)

Other than that, i'm struggling to see anything much to say beyond the engine bay is the cleanest i've ever seen on one of these! Oh, the leather dash at the bottom of the windscreen tends to shrink with age, so that's also worth checking if there's photos available, and I can't remember those side indicators/reflectors on the 930, but looking at images on the web they seem to be standard on the 3.2, so maybe that's just my memory. It's also go one of those cute powered aerials in the wing which are a pain to replace when they fail, and tend to rust the wing, so another thing to check, but it looks clean from the photos.

Love it.
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Thanks for that info....are the Aircon optioned ones rare?
 
richardg said:
Ive just sold another portion of my business and have no interest in holding cash in the bank or investing in stock markets or property. I want to invest in things I've slways dreamt of owning.
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I know nothing about 911's, other than I would love one - just posted to say, well done sir! Way to go :)

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richardg said:
Thanks for that info....are the Aircon optioned ones rare?
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Good question, and of course 35 year old air conditioning uses old gases, so the system will need a total overhaul if you want it to use modern refrigerant, so new hoses + seals to make it work.

I've just seen this which might be of interest:

https://www.classicretrofit.com/col...air-conditioning-kit-for-classic-911-full-kit

It does mention that you probably want a decent alternator as well, and probably new cabling for the air conditioning, but it also says its a reversible install (so no damage caused by installation), which is very clever.
 
Good luck in your search, briefly makes me nostalgic for the old girl. Wonder where she is now? One of only two cars I've had that actually gained value.

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Well, I’m not a number guy but let’s see if it can help :

A friend of mine bought the same but it was black and convertible.
He paid £14 000 in 2006 here in Canada.
He refurbished it from A to Z including a new roof as you may guess and sold it in 2008 for £31 000

If you take in account the inflation from 2008 to today, this will give you a rough idea.

You need to take in account that the car has been bought and sold in Canada so it might be different than in your country.

Also, his was convertible so I'm not sure if it worth more or less money. Personally, I would prefer the non convertible as they seem to be more robust and survive better with time.

Hope this helps !
 
Not really an expert, but I've owned a 1987 Carrera 3.2 for about 25 years. Here is what I know:

A) The 1987-on versions are better because they have a stronger gearbox (maybe called G15 or something similar).
B) There are 15 inch and 16 inch Fuchs wheels, 16 is better.
C) There are also a couple of options with the wheel width/depth. I have 6" front and 7" back, but the later versions of the 3.2 carrera could also have 7" front and 8" back, which also increases the market value, especially if they were original, official fittings for the car.
D) There were various upholstery options, obviously the "full leather" is better and worth more.
E) The electric sunroof was an option.
F) The coupe', i.e hard top seems to be worth more than the "Targa" top. There is also the full convertible, but that means a less stiff and reinforced body.
G) I had the air conditioner when I bought it with 120,000 Km, but even when working it was not very effective. Over the years it gave trouble. Used the old gas, whatever it was called, which is no longer available. You can convert it to "new" gas, but that is even less effective than the old gas and the conversion is expensive.
In the end I just had all the A/C equipment removed and the car is 50 kilos lighter.
H) Read Paul Freres' book about the 911 before you buy.
 
Having had a few I would say that if you have the capability to maintain this yourself it’s a good buy.

If you are reliant on specialists for maintenance you could be in for a world of pain and money.

Using sparingly and storing for periods they deteriorate and stuff goes wrong.

I would consider it a gamble rather than an investment.

Just my own informed opinion.

Great for posing though...Lol

Gary
 
richardg said:
My thoughts also .....not sold quickly either.. Is the market cooling?
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That's about their money. Market has topped out and is coming your way IMO as fuel/money costs are going to make these toys harder to justify as a speculative asset for some.

I'll run that one by a few air cooled gurus we have in our Porker driving group.

The key thing to know about these older Porsches is you may be fighting rust as well as mechanical issues. As the price if these air cooled have increased, the price of everything surrounding them has as well. It's nice wee earner now and the whole industry is setup to separate owners from their money. Engine rebuilt cots can be very high (more than an actual air cooled car could be bought for a decade ago)

The 'Singer' era has now put 964's C2's into silly money so the era of Porsches you're looking at is the last air cooled that might be 'reasonable'

I was also looking at air cooled but basically ended up buying a 996 GT3 which is first era water cooled. They aren't cheap to maintain either but at least they are rare and have the performance (race derived engine). They made 10''s of thousands of the regular air cooled in the 80's..unless you're looking at special stuff like RS's
 
andyoz said:
That's about their money. Market has topped out and is coming your way IMO as fuel/money costs are going to make these toys harder to justify as a speculative asset for some.

I'll run that one by a few air cooled gurus we have in our Porker driving group.

The key thing to know about these older Porsches is you may be fighting rust as well as mechanical issues. As the price if these air cooled have increased the price of everything surrounding them has as well. It's nice wee earner now and the whole industry is setup to separate owners from their money.

The 'Singer' era has now put 964's C2's into silly money so the era of Porsches you're looking at is the last air cooled that might be 'reasonable'

I was also looking at air cooled but basically ended up buying a 996 GT3 which is first era water cooled. They aren't cheap to maintain either but at least they are rare and have the performance (race derived engine). They made 10''s of thousands of the regular air cooled in the 80's..unless you're looking at special stuff like RS's
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That notion that the market has topped is what I always feel....surely they can't keep going up etc. And then they do. But this one seems so clean and it's at the bottom of the asking prices I see.....so why is it not shifting.....
 
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