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Anti-vaccine protesters… why?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Tony L, Oct 23, 2021.

  1. Joe P

    Joe P Memory Alpha incarnate / mod

    Sorry, Paul.

    It’s hard to guess the age of the fishy on the other end of the screen. :–)

    Though, given that most of us remember buying new vinyl (note: no s) before vinyl’s revival it’s likely safe to assume the fishy has a cane and often shakes it vigorously at passing skateboard punks.

  2. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Sure, I’m not saying he’s right - I’ve tried to nudge him to get the vax - just that it’s not an incomprehensible way of thinking. And of course people respond in many ways to similar situations.
  3. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    But how do we really know what's in those test swabs? The vaccine could be just a harmless head fake, and the government could actually using the test swabs to control us! My nostrils are my nostrils! :confused:
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  4. Joe P

    Joe P Memory Alpha incarnate / mod


    I guess I was being too obscure. This is how we used to gain natural immunity to some diseases before vaccines.


  5. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

  6. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    I was at primary school in the late 50s with a lad who contracted polio and spent a year in one of those “iron lungs”.
  7. Joe P

    Joe P Memory Alpha incarnate / mod


    Aye. It’s not that vaccines are perfect or that they have zero risk, but it seems an entire generation or two has no idea what life (and death) were like before vaccines.

  8. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Or they are just elite stupid
  9. Big Tabs

    Big Tabs looking backwards, going forwards

  10. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    My father lost three sisters and his first wife to TB within the space of a few years. He never had any doubts about the value of vaccines for us.

    re ‘natural immunity’, our childhood GP used to let his two baby daughters crawl around the waiting room of his surgery. If anyone asks him if he wasn’t afraid of them catching something, he’d reply that he actually wanted them to come into contact with as many germs as possible to build up their immune systems. (I’ve no idea whether this was sound science).
  11. chartz

    chartz If it’s broke fix it!

    Famously, when Pasteur invented the vaccine against rabies, people thought they would die after injection. Pasteur was declared a heretic until people finally came to reason.
    But this was in the 19th century!
  12. MUTTY1

    MUTTY1 Waste of bandwidth

    There was some research that found a young child’s immunity was greater if the child wasn’t born via caesarean. It was argued that it missed the huge variety of bacteria etc in the birth canal. This caused a practise during caesarean to ‘anoint’ the newborn with a vaginal swab.
    Given the heated debate ongoing about natural v caesarean amongst the involved professionals this could of course be mis-information!
  13. mikemusic

    mikemusic pfm Member

    Read that in New Scientist a while back
  14. Paul L

    Paul L coffee lounge for me

    that is a really interesting point and one of the threads behind my earlier post although mine was from a capitalist POV. As I understand it much of the research funding is from pharmaceutical companies with obviously vested interests in selling billions of their subsequent product. One mate of mine tells me that when the thalidomide scandal broke and the drugs banned in the UK it did not stop the owners ploughing on with selling it into other international markets even though the risks were established by then.
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  15. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Thalidomide is now a very effective drug used to treat brain cancer, kidney cancer, Kaposi’s sarcoma and multiple myeloma.
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  16. Paul L

    Paul L coffee lounge for me

    The child immunity is an interesting point too. Off at a tangent I was reading about declining birth rate and could not help think of the B-movie Idiocracy which is both amusing/crass but poignant too!
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  17. Spike

    Spike pfm Member

    OCR Twenty First Century Science GCSE course included a Case Study. This essentially was any scientific question with both sides of the argument. The reliability of sources had to be assessed. However, the Tory government abandoned this course. Oh guess who made that decision? Gove/Cummins. Funny that.
  18. Spike

    Spike pfm Member

    If you are looking at any scientific article I would argue that it pretty much is. If you have concerns then look at the references within the article. I would suggest that it’s not reliable regarding many other things.
  19. Spike

    Spike pfm Member

    You could argue that they have contributed greatly with tax and duty and are entitled to full treatment.
  20. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    People still want to practice their God-given right to spread disease and die.

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