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Andy's not sweating.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Dogberry, Aug 10, 2021.

  1. Rug Doc

    Rug Doc pfm Member

  2. MUTTY1

    MUTTY1 Waste of bandwidth

    I watched this just to remind myself of that interview ‘that went quite well’. Even if ‘as innocent as the driven snow’ he would have been eaten alive.
    Rico, Finnegan and puddlesplasher like this.
  3. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Thank you for that irrelevance.
    Andrew could not have sued Giuffre for libel in the U.K.
    He would have had to do it in the US where he would have had to prove she was lying.
  4. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Do keep up. I was talking about allegations of paedophilia on this forum.
  5. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    The Queen wastes no time in bringing Andy back into the fold as she celebrates the life of that prominent eco warrior Prince Phillip.

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  6. billo

    billo pfm Member

    Just as more of the brown stuff hits the fan. I wonder what he thought of getting £750,000 in his account from a friend(?) of someone he may have helped with a passport? I know I would be concerned if just 1/100 of that amount came to me unexpectedly.
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  7. Bart

    Bart pfm Member

    To be fair I did get the impression from headlines that his closeness to the Queen was not welcomed by the Royals, he was only supposed to share a car with her to get there (at his insistence no doubt) and I imagine he just pushed himself into poll position from there. Naturally she’s in no position to do much about it in public.
  8. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    Ofcourse you're right ,I'm sure she didn't sanction his presence there,he simply happened to be passing.
  9. Enfield boy

    Enfield boy pfm Member

    The press and "the firm" testing the water, see if we've forgotten like we have covid corruption, second jobs and parties. A plague on the bloody lot of them.
  10. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    So it’s 20 years
  11. Nero

    Nero Don’t call me Bud

    Well, if it’s true, and I have no reason to doubt a court of the land, then it seems to try to balance the years of hurt that the victims feel and continue to feel. There’s no victory here.
  12. MUTTY1

    MUTTY1 Waste of bandwidth

    The extreme case is that German prison guard sentenced to a five stretch at the age of 101. It’s good that there is no time limit on wrongdoing in most cases.
  13. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    Strange how we've had no list of acquaintances or any sort of black book of names come out. Funny that.
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  14. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    Just thinking about Ghislaine Maxwell and somehow can't help feeling sorry for her. Her once-powerful father is dead, Epstein is dead, Trump, Clinton, Andrew and all the others are free as birds, while she has to spend 20 years in prison. And from what has emerged, she was their servant/secretary/fixer, hardly the mastermind. Probably not rich (enough) herself to maintain the "socialite" standing she had grown up with, she may have been induced to "help out" as a way of maintaining her position in that world of rich and powerful people. And with hordes of young girls who at the time were not unwilling to be "trafficked" in exchange for a taste of luxury and adventure. Not an excuse, but a possible explanation and understanding.
  15. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    Doesn't square with facts.
    "I ask you to bear in mind how Maxwell’s unwillingness to acknowledge her crimes, her lack of remorse, and her repeated lies about her victims created the need for many of us to engage in a long fight for justice that has felt like a black hole sucking in our precious time, energy and wellbeing for much too long now. These things cannot be replaced.”
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  16. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    Poor people who aspire to a rich lifestyle sometimes resort to trafficking drugs. That’s bad, society says. But rich people who want a lifestyle beyond their means, can be forgiven for trafficking young girls? Not buying it, sorry.
  17. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    Not talking about "forgiveness," which only the victims can provide, Just that her 20 year sentence seems to show that justice has been done, while taking the spotlight off many people more guilty or as guilty as herself who will never even appear in court. Not to mention countless minor players, domestic staff, drivers, hotel managers, perhaps even the families of some of the girls, who must have known what was going on.
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  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    One assumes that was entirely her choice. She could have given up/named her pedophile ring at any point. The fact she didn’t speaks volumes.
  19. Richard Lines

    Richard Lines pfm Member

    or, having seen what happened to Epstein.........................


  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Yes, that is likely a factor too. Hopefully it will all come out in time. She hung around with some thoroughly nasty people, that much is certain.

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