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Amplifier Choice - Moon, Hegel or?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Allaboutmusic, May 5, 2020.

  1. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    I expect good quality and expensive hi fi equipment to last for more like 50+ years to indefinitely with sensible servicing as required. Gear like the stuff being discussed above will be skip fodder in 10 years ish. Hi tech digital parts etc have a short production life, are generally nowhere near as reliable as "old skool" analogue and in many cases there are things such as PIC's which have the manufacturers source code embedded in them so even if you could get the part it would be a blank, without much prospect of getting the code for it.
    As GT pointed out, such tech can be very electrically noisy and is often a compromise on sound quality in comparison with best practice, honed over many decades.
  2. Curtis

    Curtis pfm Member

    Well in these uncertain times that is pretty much a blanket on anything you acquire.
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  3. Curtis

    Curtis pfm Member

    Indefinite warranty on your products.
    Good luck with that as a business model.
    I know what you are saying but the world has changed mate.
    If you find a niche that requires that product and service then fair play.
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  4. Hiesteem

    Hiesteem pfm Member

    Interesting point this. Important thing for me is quality that's gone into reproducing the sound. My amp is 22 years old, two huge transformers, volume control and on/off button.
    Solid yet simple engineering. Sounds powerful and clean, will drive anything.
    I respect people do have different wants and needs and if a light fails as long as the amp works, not the end of the world.
    Also if an amp has been in service for sometime, ie 10 years, is a reasonable time for service etc.
    Personally, I do my homework on a firm, best I can before I buy.
    I heard a great sounding table recently, I won't buy it because I am not comfortable with part of its design, and can see it might give me a problem, down the road.
  5. I get the pure timeless analog argument, but this isn't what the OP is asking for....

    Its a bit like comparing a 70's Honda CBR750 to the latest CBR/fireblade..
  6. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Haven't we been down siliar roads before with people asking amp advice only for Cereal Killer to constantly bang on about the Audionet DNA 1?
  7. since when? please post a link.... or 2
  8. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    When i have the time to go and find it i will - but ive seen you post about the Audionet before. Wasnt what the OP asked> but im sure you will argue and argue with me now !
  9. Read the title................ look at the spec of the two amps he's already mentioned tell me what's difference? the DNA 1 fits into the 'or' of the title....
  10. ssimon

    ssimon pfm Member

    Maybe in this instance it's changed for the worse, to fit the disposable business model.
    I thought the young generation are not wanting to waste the earth's resources and cause global warming.
    Get real, mate
  11. Unfortunately this aspect will never change, and HI-FI is actually a tiny part of the problem. The tech giants who produce computers. mobile phones and TV/AV kit etc probably create 99% more waste than the specialist 2 channel manufacturers.
  12. herb

    herb music live

    Pedant mode jarred - do you mean 70s CB750 (sorry):) I'm bored...
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  13. Curtis

    Curtis pfm Member

    Get real?
    Reality is that the world is full of disposable products.
    I don’t think that is the case here though.
    I don’t see the amplifier’s the OP mentions as being disposable.
    Some purists may though.
  14. Kostas

    Kostas pfm Member

    Whatever you do, choose speakers first, then the amp that can drive them properly. I would avoid amps with DACs unless you change amps often. Digital technology changes quickly, you can have an amp for years and years. I'm also not fond of internal phono stages, they don't offer options and every one (in mid priced amps) I tried sounded worse than my humble Dino.

    I would avoid amps with less than 100 watts/8 ohms unless you don't like high volume. Every Moon product I auditioned sounded good but it has been 10+ years since I even saw their products. The 240i at 50 watts is incapable to drive properly all speakers you want to buy unless you only listen at low volume.

    From the speakers you mentioned I prefer by far the Dynaudios. I would drive them with the best Nord I could afford and an external (maybe second hand) phono stage.
  15. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    A village somewhere is being sorely deprived of your services.
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  16. Says the guy from Cramlington... (i lived in Bellingham for nearly a decade.. unfortunately)
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  17. Curtis

    Curtis pfm Member

    Maybe you can buy me a village once your 2nd hand breathed on phono stages have made you a multi millionaire?
  18. Allaboutmusic

    Allaboutmusic pfm Member

    I would respectfully challenge this view that 50 Watts is incapable of driving these speakers properly. Take the b&w for instance they have a sensitivity of 88 dB and a min impedance of 3.7, even in a large room you are unlikely to need more than 30 Watts at a high volume. What's more important is the quality - in my view.
  19. Kostas

    Kostas pfm Member

    I can only speak from my experience and I disagree, gone are the days of low watt amps for me. For example, I have read too many times how the Sugden - Harbeth is a wonderful combination. I personally clipped the 7ES-2 with a 30 watts Class A Sugden at the dealers room. I don't agree with the "story" of how Class A can drive anything because it's pure and/or the best.

    I never had B&W speakers, I know they are not the easiest speakers to drive.
    From B&W specs:
    Recommended amplifier power
    30W - 120W into 8Ω on unclipped programme

    I would take the higher number as a suggestion and choose an amp with even more watts than the brand suggests.

    My speakers with 90dB sensitivity and minimum impedance 3.5 were distorting with 80 watts at HIGH volume, they do not with my 150 & 300 watts. Every speaker will play flute at low volume, try double bass at high volume and see what happens. I like to open up the volume once in a while and I want my stereo system to do that with no distortion or clipping.
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