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Afghanistan withdrawal.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Martyn Miles, Jul 4, 2021.

  1. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    The West's meddling in the Middle East has, arguably apart from the creation of Israel, resulted in failure every time.
     
  2. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    The creation of Israel benefits only Israel.
     
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  3. roman

    roman pfm Member

     
  4. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    How about everyone just leave them alone ?
     
  5. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    That is a success measured against all the other failures. All countries put their interests first.
     
  6. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    It is a long and complex history, in which the UK has much to be blamed for. Best not reduced to callous one liners.
     
  7. Frizzy

    Frizzy Liberal anarchist

    My view is military empires failed, let’s try a bit of goodwill and charity, can’t hurt.
     
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  8. Frizzy

    Frizzy Liberal anarchist

    Seriously?
     
  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

  10. Frizzy

    Frizzy Liberal anarchist

    One interesting theory is that the USA invaded as a first step to frighten and later invade Iraq as saddam had plans to convince opec to deal oil in euros. If it wasn’t for dollar dealing in oil the yanks would be even more broke than they are.
    To a lesser extent it’s why all the fuss over Bitcoin is due in part to fears of the dollar not being used as the worlds reserve currency.
    Theories for conversation, not facts?
     
  11. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    A more plausible theory is that hitting Afghanistan didn’t really show people that America was top dog after 911, there was thinking that by hammering Iraq it could reclaim that spot, of course there were cheerleaders and suppliers of intelligence who had their own reasons for wanting a war.
     
  12. Frizzy

    Frizzy Liberal anarchist

    I wouldn’t put anything past the yanks, or French or us. Governments are serial sociopaths.
     
  13. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Unfortunately Israel’s interests don’t ever seem to benefit anyone else other than Israel.
     
  14. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Sometimes but serial stupidity explains a lot of what goes on.
     
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  15. kensalriser

    kensalriser pfm Member

    Afghan women's militias are one answer.

    Or how how about addressing the arms trade and money trail that funds weapons? No, I don't see the usual countries with arms industries rushing to do that. Because hey, they'll get arms from somewhere.
     
  16. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Given it was created by the West in 1948 its history is not that long nor that complex. I realise that many do not like Israel's politics but it has been besieged by its neighbours since day 1 and has done what was necessary (and sometimes more so) to ensure no one messes with them. The long and not really complex history is that of persecution of Jews for millennia and particularly in the 30s and 40s.
     
  17. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    A country pursuing its own interests? Brexit anyone?
     
  18. Frizzy

    Frizzy Liberal anarchist

    Yeah let’s bomb Belgium eu scum, if bombing neighbours with impunity is good for the Israeli goose let’s all join in.:D
    All violence is wrong and never justified. Too many people want to hurt first question later, such a shame.
     
  19. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    That's only a decade or two younger than most of the other mideast states, whose artificial borders were mostly created in the early 20th century as various empires fell.
     
  20. MVV

    MVV pfm Member

    Imagine if the money spent on military intervention had been invested in infrastructure financial support and community building in Afghanistan instead.
     
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