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Afghanistan withdrawal.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Martyn Miles, Jul 4, 2021.

  1. Martyn Miles

    Martyn Miles pfm Member

    Not top of the news when football seems more important, but the USA/UK withdrawal is significant.
    We lost 454 soldiers in that country, and for what ?
    The Taliban appear to be ready to take over the country completely.
    Rockmeister likes this.
  2. Debs

    Debs pfm Member

    We should never have gone there in the first place.
    George J, gavreid, Nick_G and 10 others like this.
  3. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    yes many years ago we were on a plane back from pakistan with the mujahideen fighters , its so tragic to see the lives lost there . the taliban have done a lot of damage

    one such incident is malala
  4. vince rocker

    vince rocker pfm Member

    I know what you mean, but it was never "we". "Not in my name", remember that?
    Martyn Miles likes this.
  5. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    We wiped out their ability to commit terrorist acts wherever they wanted. And then terrorism changed. And it’ll keep changing.

    Just use technology to keep track of who’s masterminding attacks, preferably before they happen, and take them out with drones and special forces. Show no mercy. It’s all the Taliban and al Qaeda understand.
  6. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans

    The Taliban have 180000-strong army to defeat first.
  7. dweezil

    dweezil pfm Member

    A lot of those have minimal career choices and can't fed a family. Imagine you're young male with zero prospects and your family's known nothing but fighting for 40 years.

    Cutting foreign aid isn't the way to go.
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  8. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    Iraq had a large army too. It melted away when ISIS went on the offensive. After 20 years of training, we’ll see if the Afghan army is better prepared.
    Bob Edwards likes this.
  9. peter bj

    peter bj pfm Member

    Taliban are certain to take over the country , so what was the point of going there in the first place !
  10. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Afghanistan has no real national identity, it's a very loose association of tribal and ethnic loyalties.

    Staying there as long as we did was certainly a mistake.

    Killing all these people and loosing our own soldiers was unnecessary, stupid and tragic. Maybe criminal.

    Afghans should control their country's destiny. For better or for worse.
    Big Tabs, Waxy, Mystic Mac and 2 others like this.
  11. Bob Edwards

    Bob Edwards pfm Member

    It is not. Writing as someone who helped (try to) train them in 2012 while deployed there. My profile picture is from mobilization training at Ft. Dix on the way to Bastion/Leatherneck in Helmand.

    DimitryZ is exactly correct in his post above.
  12. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Thank you for your service.
    Mynamemynaim, Tarzan and Bob Edwards like this.
  13. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    My grandfather was there 100 years ago and their only industries were drug growing and banditry. Nothing changes
  14. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    I don't think a history of colonialism was helpful.
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  15. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    For worse ?
  16. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Probably. That’s why it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad idea if the west remained there so they can limit the damage they have contributed to cause in the past.
  17. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    Women's rights are sure to become more limited under Taliban rule.
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  18. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    I think we have done enough damage over the last 200 years.
  19. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Yes, that’s what I meant among other things. I’m not sure the Afghan population will take a lot of advantage after the West leaves.
  20. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    No, but permanent occupation - i.e. colonialism, can't be an answer.
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