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A thread to catalogue the eloquence, dignity, diplomacy and wisdom of Boris Johnson

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Tony L, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    ****ing pathetic weasel like response as expected!
  2. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    So, what you're saying is, you were into it before it was fashionable?
  3. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    I can't imagine why nobody joined you on your crusade!
  4. roman

    roman pfm Member

    He poisoned the well.

    Given the path we are on and the toxic media landscape that surround us I fear our destination. There are already observable examples of what this might be.

    Chuck in covid chaos and economic hardship with a brexit chaser and there is genuine cause for concern.
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  5. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    I campaigned for the Labour Party and donated several times my membership fee to the fighting fund. Good enough for you?
  6. roman

    roman pfm Member

    I marched against Blair's war, I did my bit. Anyone not present is to blame for all that followed.
  7. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

  8. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    ....well, it looks like Napoleon will grunt this evening. We can’t have one rule for the Party elite and one rule for the rest of us.
  9. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Having just flicked to the daily coronavirus lie briefing Boris supports Cummings.

    Any one who voted for this shower of entitled shameless hypocrites should apologise now.
    Covkxw, Brian, SteveS1 and 2 others like this.
  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    What exactly can we do other than sign arguably useless petitions (I signed several) and vote against the Conservative Party at every opportunity? I certainly don’t buy or fund any of the right-wing press (e.g. I have no Sky subscription) and have frequently publicised both #StopFundingHate and LedByDonkeys on this site, an act which has certainly raised money for both. What more do you want?
    roman and Sue Pertwee-Tyr like this.
  11. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    This is an object lesson in exactly how little power is in the hands of the people. Taking back control? My arse.
  12. PhilofCas

    PhilofCas pfm Member


    New character for her next book?
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  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Her Twitter feed is well worth a read (link). Not a Tory. I like the definition of ‘Johnsonian’.
  14. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Don't worry, forget it, the time has passed. Just find the general tone about how awful the press are wearing when 10 years ago very few seemed to want to know. Too late now anyway, this country will likely never see a change in what's left of my lifetime.
  15. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Staying alert

    There’s a groundswell of resentment building, evidenced by the contributions to those threads. I don’t know how widespread it is, but if it is anything like representative of public feeling, then we are possibly closer to a civil uprising than at any time in my life.
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  16. DimitryZ

    DimitryZ pfm Member

    It's a worldwide problem.

    In the US, large bipartisan majorities want common sense gun regulations - nobody wants their kid shot by a troubled lunatic. But NRA's stranglehold on the Republican party is such that this just can't happen.

    On another US weak spot - our elections are decided by ~100k people in 3-5 states, due to vagaries of Electoral College. However, it's original purpose - keeping assholes out of office - has long atrophied. There is an Interstate Compact to get around it, but the current USSC is likely to declare it unconstitutional. Republicans will not support it having won two recent elections with public vote minorities.

    It is a little wonder that authoritarianism/populism is on the rise - democracy is failing at it's main function. US needs a new Constitutional Convention...and before you say anything, consider that the original one had exceedingly low chance of success. Of course, the Founding Fathers were rather better educated than the kind of government leaders we have today - especially in GOP. Can anyone imagine Trump/Jared/Ivanka at a conditional convention? Me neither.
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr likes this.
  17. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    i'm not sure you understand what "populism" means because you are contradicting yourself in the space of a single sentence.

    you may want to read this recent essay by thomas frank:


    populism is the main function of democracy.
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Bunter faces the School Board and doesn’t get any right answers. Too long in the pantry and no homework. I gather his appearance before the Commons committee was utterly embarrassing to the office of Prime Minister.

  19. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    No it isn't. I mean, without looking at Frank's fine essay, I take it you and he are defining populism as politics responsive to the desires and interests of the masses (to use a fine old word). And I'm sure that is true in a sense, but I think the more general understanding of the word reflects the fact that the desires, at least, of the masses, in possibly the majority of cases, do not reflect habits of deep rational thought, or broadly informed opinion. Populist politicians, therefore, are typically greatly tempted to lead their constituents through emotionally manipulative appeals, often depending on ignorance and mobilizing existing bigotries--in a word, through demagoguery. In this way it may indeed be associated with authoritarianism, all too often, and DimitryZs conflation of the two, in the context of current US politics, is actually sensible.
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr likes this.
  20. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

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