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A thread to catalogue the eloquence, dignity, diplomacy and wisdom of Boris Johnson II

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Indeed. Everyone loves a proven liar and narcissist with a lengthy track record of being sacked. Corbyn turned out to be a prat far out of his depth, but he was never as fundamentally duplicitous, crooked and entitled as Johnson had already been proven to be in past roles.

You could be right, I'll certainly give it to you on the crooked and entitled charges, but I'm not convinced on the duplicitous one. I suspect that many of the victims of the IRA and Hamas wouldn't be convinced either.
 
This is the interesting question- when does the pretender to the throne decide there’s enough sh1t stuck to Johnson to come out into the open and move against him?
You get the feeling Johnson is just like Trump- utterly shameless and prepared to hunker down even with that Telegraph front page of the Queen sitting on her own at her husband’s funeral as they partied inside No.10 the night before.
You will know when the time has come when The Media mention the 'Stalking Horse' as this seems to be the Tory way of testing the water. It is always someone hopeless and who has no chance of leading a party................so, no shortage of candidates :)
 
I think you discount the effect of the obvious unsuitability for the role that was the leading characteristic of the then leader of the opposition. It came down, at least to some degree, to perceived charisma. None at all could be perceived in Jeremiah of Islington.
Well Jeremiah of Islington was leading the Labour Party already when the Tories chose Boris. If what you say is correct, why didn’t they choose somebody less ‘charismatic’ but more competent and truthful? They’d still have walked it, according to your analysis.
 
I think you discount the effect of the obvious unsuitability for the role that was the leading characteristic of the then leader of the opposition. It came down, at least to some degree, to perceived charisma. None at all could be perceived in Jeremiah of Islington.
This is the true legacy of Thatcher, the Cult of Personality over the actual ability to do the job.
 
I'm not quite sure that it's the verb I'd use, but yes, it's good to watch Britain's much-maligned democracy doing its thing. Only a few months ago pfm's gloomy 'progressives' were wailing in something almost like harmony that the tories were unassailable. It doesn't look quite so much like that now.

I'm certainly enjoying watching the effect that Johnson’s rapid plummet from from his brief moment as toryism's dodgy golden boy is having on you - you seem frenetically animated even by your own standards. You should be elated, but you seem far too busy being theatrically appalled. Perhaps you're already mourning the loss of your comedy villain No1, not to mention your most mooted imperative for your desire to break the Union.
I think you discount the effect of the obvious unsuitability for the role that was the leading characteristic of the then leader of the opposition. It came down, at least to some degree, to perceived charisma. None at all could be perceived in Jeremiah of Islington.
This is the point where I have to ask the question again EV, how low are you personally prepared to go in supporting this party? It would appear that a substantial tranche of dimwits are having buyer’s remorse and rendering the party entirely assailable and that’s before the calamitous gap between their income and their living expenses opens up in the coming months.
 
Well Jeremiah of Islington was leading the Labour Party already when the Tories chose Boris. If what you say is correct, why didn’t they choose somebody less ‘charismatic’ but more competent and truthful? They’d still have walked it, according to your analysis.

Absolutely. This idea that there was no alternative to employing a blustering, shameless liar to beat someone you think is unelectable is pretty weak logic.
 
This is the point where I have to ask the question again EV, how low are you personally prepared to go in supporting this party?

He reached the basement sometime ago. He was happy enough with illegal suspensions of the precious sovereign parliament, lies to the monarch, entering into international 'agreements' to fool people that deals were complete with no intention of sticking to them and so on. A few more examples of Johnson's total contempt for everyone is unlikely to move that dial.

Johnson will of course blame everyone else, get your gear together anyone who works for him. Maybe it was the EU's fault. Back to the sovereign parliament, ignoring all the noise at the heart of this is a straightforward lie from the dispatch box. Johnson lied to the HoC. That should for any minister, let alone the PM, is a resignation issue.
 
This is the point where I have to ask the question again EV, how low are you personally prepared to go in supporting this party?

Evidently not as low as you'll go to support yours. I've already stated that I won't be voting Conservative at the next GE, but I'll wager you'll still be supporting the SNP separatists.
 
Interesting....and how about common land, historical stopping places for travellers, public footpaths and rights of way, much of which has been filched from the rest of us by all semi legal to crooked processes from the enclosures down to present day theft by farmers and landowners?

Well, if you’ve known farmers who’ve suffered from illegal trespass, fly tipping, huge bills for cleaning up, hare coursing, intimidation, extortion, theft of farm machinery, loose dogs worrying stock etc etc, you’ll understand why trespass laws need to be updated, as done so in Ireland. We’re way off topic here so I’ll leave it there.
 
Well Jeremiah of Islington was leading the Labour Party already when the Tories chose Boris. If what you say is correct, why didn’t they choose somebody less ‘charismatic’ but more competent and truthful? They’d still have walked it, according to your analysis.

Because, as we all know, Boris was by that time perceived to be the only politician who would 'get Brexit dun', which is to say to honour the result of the 2016 referendum.
 
Because, as we all know, Boris was by that time perceived to be the only politician who would 'get Brexit dun', which is to say to honour the result of the 2016 referendum.

When the time comes to deliver incompatible promises, you need a liar rather than someone who points out the incompatibility. This is on the people who preferred to 'believe' than check.
 
Evidently not as low as you'll go to support yours. I've already stated that I won't be voting Conservative at the next GE, but I'll wager you'll still be supporting the SNP separatists.
And Plaid for me.
If England don't want the other three countries to leave, try not having their country governed by the Shakespeare writing monkeys having a go at politics via the National Socialist playbook. Less separatist, more disassociation from gangsterism/fascism and an electorate manipulable enough to vote for them. Too dangerous to stay tied to that.
 
You could be right, I'll certainly give it to you on the crooked and entitled charges, but I'm not convinced on the duplicitous one. I suspect that many of the victims of the IRA and Hamas wouldn't be convinced either.

Jeremy Corbyn is not a bright man IMHO, but I don’t think it is possible to make any case against him when it comes to campaigning for peace. When it comes to NI and the ‘troubles’ the Conservative Party are absolutely drenched in blood. They are directly responsible for political assassinations and complicit in many acts of ‘loyalist’ terrorism. The remarkably high-quality and in-depth multi-part BBC series of a few years ago laid the evidence out for this in an incontrovertible manner and highlighted just how much has been shovelled under the carpet by successive Westminster governments. The fact we have anything even tenuously approaching peach in NI is 100% down to Labour and Corbyn can be seen as a very small part in that process.

FWIW I do think he rapidly ran out of intellect when it came to Israel even if his heart was was in the right place supporting the occupied Palestinian state against the brutality they face on a day to day basis. To my mind Corbyn was a genuinely kind man who was clearly not cut out for leadership. Johnson is a cynical, manipulative and evil man. One who can’t see anything of value beyond his own self-interest and ego. He is right now calculating exactly how many minions to sacrifice in an attempt to protect himself from his own incompetence and bad judgement. He is a psychopath.

PS ‘Spotlight On The Troubles: A Secret History’ rates as one of the best documentaries I have ever seen. A superb piece of journalism and it is still available on iPlayer. Big at seven episodes, but it certainly repays the time investment.
 
Judging by the number of posts I suggest the comedy villain #1 is Stinking Farage/Frog Faced Fascist. No wait. What about sweaty Raab? Her Excellency Truss? Maybe Rubber Face Tice or his Brexit Barbie? Lard Frost anyone? The Quiet Man IDS? Hatie Hopkins? Rubber Face Banks? Perhaps they are all joint leaders in the comedy villain contest?

You've forgotten Little Gove. Which is fair enough, most people do.
 
Evidently not as low as you'll go to support yours. I've already stated that I won't be voting Conservative at the next GE, but I'll wager you'll still be supporting the SNP separatists.

You’re busy with the ‘Corbyn the terrorist’s friend’ routine- uncannily close to the the same slander placed on Saddiq Khan by the Tories, too busy clutching at straws to notice the manure under your finger nails.
 
Because, as we all know, Boris was by that time perceived to be the only politician who would 'get Brexit dun', which is to say to honour the result of the 2016 referendum.
So they chose him on the basis that he could sell the public an obvious lie. It’s not that the Tories themselves believed he could get Brexit dun, rather that the Tories believed he could persuade the credulous public that he could gerrit dun. Which goes to my point, not yours.
 
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