Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Well, they promised that they could have cut VAT on energy after Brexit, but they didn't' S'funny that.
Ban on petrol and diesel cars from 2030
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Well, they promised that they could have cut VAT on energy after Brexit, but they didn't' S'funny that.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
And then charges to use ICEs in towns and cities go up n up, and so an EV is the only feasible choice.
Nope. As Tony says they will tax ICE cars off the road and it will be EV or walk. It's already happening in Bradford. Clean air zone, at present only taxis and buses/hgv. No private car taxes yet. The only fly that I can see in that soup is that Bradford is a dump and nobody wants to go there before they impose a charge, let alone after.
martin clark
pinko bodger
Bristol's Class D (tax everything ) emissions zone comes into force 28th November.
Look at the boundary map, and it's an utter landgrab for taxation, rather than addressing where the emissions / transit time issues are. Oh, and it cuts off thousands of poorly paid key-workers from the city centre hospitals, fire station - the unexamined fact being the detail of the way in which it will affect those least able to afford to adjust, is horrific as a result of the historical geography (all roads lead to centre, vs River which cuts city in two but no available bridge to public traffic) vs. no alternative but the meagre half-an-inner ring road - all of the last is of course 'captured.'
Oh - as is the train station so no where outside the zone to park in well over 2miles radius - in fact the only alternative is Brislington park& ride, 30m mins each way & c £4 rtn. )
Then again, I know of several large developers etc that simply will not do work within a large radius of the city, haven't in a decade - because transit times (by any method) were long-found a total waste of company time overall.
That be Brizzle.
Look at the boundary map, and it's an utter landgrab for taxation, rather than addressing where the emissions / transit time issues are. Oh, and it cuts off thousands of poorly paid key-workers from the city centre hospitals, fire station - the unexamined fact being the detail of the way in which it will affect those least able to afford to adjust, is horrific as a result of the historical geography (all roads lead to centre, vs River which cuts city in two but no available bridge to public traffic) vs. no alternative but the meagre half-an-inner ring road - all of the last is of course 'captured.'
Oh - as is the train station so no where outside the zone to park in well over 2miles radius - in fact the only alternative is Brislington park& ride, 30m mins each way & c £4 rtn. )
Then again, I know of several large developers etc that simply will not do work within a large radius of the city, haven't in a decade - because transit times (by any method) were long-found a total waste of company time overall.
That be Brizzle.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Just like London then. You can't drive a 2014 318d w/out paying but you can drive a 2008 6.0 Bentley W12. Bonkers.
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
Lots of places outside the stupid clean air zones.
ICE will still be going for decades. They won’t dare tax them out of existence.
richardg
Admonishtrator
It's been heavily restricted in Strasbourg for years to the point where you are not allowed to bring any car in at all, ie if you have a certain number type you are only allowed in on Mondays eg, but this is only in the centre. There's still loads of cars. It won't deter people if it is only in city centres. And that is what you are suggesting.
So in summmary,it's nope back at ya!
richardg
Admonishtrator
Exactly, if they try to ban them from main roads and motorways, the govenment will be gone at the next election.
cutting42
Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo
NeilR
pfm Member
until 2035 anyway, then they are gone (at least new ones)
You (and rischardg) should realise that you are part of the older generation who are set in their ways, younger people have very different views to you.
elecrtic cars are already better thsn ice cars in so many ways, and will only get better as time goes on.
'Only' in the whole of EU, I'm afraid. Infrastructure has been handed over to 'the market'. This morning the price is roughly 300p / kWH where I live, even that is a bit on the low side. So, sanity still prevails in Switzerland?
PhilofCas
pfm Member
Yep, thought this for a while, too much of a coincidence. At one point it was roughly a quarter of the cost to charge an EV up, I just knew the government(s) wouldn’t allow the loss in taxes this would bring when we all move to EV’s.
They don't need to ban them from motorways, what are you going to do when you arrive at work or home in the charging zone? Won't affect you? Maybe. But it will affect enough that they are forced to sell their cars and t his takes IC cars out of circulation. It won't remove them all. Sure, who cares? There will be a few oldies still burning fuel. Yes, let them. Outliers can safely be disregarded. It's like the process of evolution. You apply a pressure and the population drifts. They don't all have to change overnight, and frankly the few who think that opposing thumbs won't ever catch on can be ignored.
Beobloke
pfm Member
Why? It's the diesel BMW engine that produces the carcinogenic particualtes, not the Bentley.
richardg
Admonishtrator
Come and have a look at what's happening here.....plenty of people centre-ville sans voiture, plenty of cars on the town perimeters. It's running fine.
You also seem to think that the government can control the pace and direction of technology. It can't. When the download / stream equivalent of car technology arrives, electric cars will look like CDs. And then they are goosed. It's coming in the next 15 years.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
So electric cars will be gaining in popularity?
richardg
Admonishtrator
They already are, aren't they? The energy crisis is a concern though, right?
I'm just saying the product life cycle will be short. And I don't mean each individual car, I mean the sector life cycle.
laughingboy
pfm Member
I don't buy this argument. Electricity prices are rising either because they are pegged to gas, or the electricity is generated from gas. This isn't just a UK phenomenon (Guardian article on US prices in March 22), which means that the 'deliberate rises' theory would require a global governmental conspiracy. I'm not convinced. For me the evidence suggests that electricity price rises are a result of commodity inflation, nothing more.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
But the Bentley produces around 4x the climate-damaging CO2 of the BMW, especially un urban areas where the LEZs are active. If the political priorities were different, it'd be the Bentley that was hammered.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
But if you're worried about air quality, what about all the extra CO2, NOx and unburnt fuel? What about the particulates from tyres and brakes? I'm not suggesting the Bentley is 'Better' it's just we seem to worry about one element of exhausts (and favouring some cars as a result) and then, then years later realsising it's now another component...