No there isn't. Nobody is suggesting that brexit caused the fuel crisis. Nobody is suggesting that brexit caused covid or the supply chain problems that resulted. However what we are saying is that brexit did nothing to ameliorate these ill effects, and, worse, generated a host of ill effects all of its own.
Brexit: give me a positive effect (2022 remastered edition)
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SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Perhaps he could name the aspects of UK commercial and social life that Brexit has helped? Apart from mass recruitment of more border and customs staff and a few political careers, that is.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
I didn’t think you’d work it out. The clue is you don’t have a clue.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Britain- highest inflation in the G7. World beating performance, nowt to do with Brexit.
False flag narrative.
Found the quote:
"In a recent speech justifying unilateral repudiation, Lord Frost, Johnson’s negotiator, argued that “The detail of the protocol’s provisions was essentially imposed under duress because we had no ‘walk away’ option.” As a matter of fact, we did. But it would have been too costly to exercise. In these negotiations the EU was (and is) in a stronger position, because it matters far more to the UK than them. This is power, which matters in international relations. Who knew? Not Frost, it seems."
"In a recent speech justifying unilateral repudiation, Lord Frost, Johnson’s negotiator, argued that “The detail of the protocol’s provisions was essentially imposed under duress because we had no ‘walk away’ option.” As a matter of fact, we did. But it would have been too costly to exercise. In these negotiations the EU was (and is) in a stronger position, because it matters far more to the UK than them. This is power, which matters in international relations. Who knew? Not Frost, it seems."
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
No, you surely have that all wrong. We held all the cards. They need us more than we need them. I distinctly remember being told that. Repeatedly.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
In other words the 21st Century ‘British Empire’ overplayed a bad hand using Frosty’s poker face.
puddlesplasher
pfm Member
“Jesus another person blaming Labour. Labour didn't and wouldn't have staged a referendum in the first place”
No I’m not blaming Labour just stating the obvious that Labour sat on their hands pre Brexit referendum. We are out and we have to get on with it. The Conservative right wing screwed us all over, are continuing to do so and will do as long as it suits them. I actually vote as always for none of the above in every election because I believe that our politicians are career polite only self interest in hand.
No I’m not blaming Labour just stating the obvious that Labour sat on their hands pre Brexit referendum. We are out and we have to get on with it. The Conservative right wing screwed us all over, are continuing to do so and will do as long as it suits them. I actually vote as always for none of the above in every election because I believe that our politicians are career polite only self interest in hand.
PsB
Citizen of Nowhere™
I seem to remember seeing a similar one ca. 2016, Q1. AKA "you can have two of the following three".
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
I hope 'none of the above' satisfies something for you - it is in effect a vote for the Tories of course. The "they are all the same" trope is something their media buddies push relentlessly.
Ah yes, the steely eyed negotiators who were going to make Johnny Foreigner roll over and give us exactly what we wanted. Well, that went well.
eternumviti
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Yes, we shouldn't allow ourselves to forget that we are no longer the empire at the table. We're just an awkward ex-colony, and auntie Europa is going to keep us tied firmly to her apron strings.
Or chained up in the basement.
laughingboy
pfm Member
Well I didn't see this coming. Peter Hitchens in today's Daily Mail is arguing for English Secession. English Restoration, he calls it. His reasoning feeds on the Imperial Imaginary yet at the same time rejects it, as if to say: the Empire shows how great we are, but we should give it up entirely in favour of English UDI. Only then will we be the pure England of my imagination. The purest, most distilled essence of England.
It is utterly baffling.
Peter Hitchens said:
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Or it delivered greater opportunity for growth and increased significance as part of something more substantial. "Chained up" - hilarious. Well the ties are cut and the trajectory obvious. Well done you.
Nick_G
pfm Member
Keep your S&M fantasies to yourself!
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
March of the Kippers to the South Pole, there to meet their destiny.
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
It's like that bloke on here a few days ago arguing for Brexit because it would help preserve our 'race'. But Peter Hitchens has always been barmy.
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