MUTTY1
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Look at the effort they had to subdue little ol’ Chechnya…
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Look at the effort they had to subdue little ol’ Chechnya…
Barrymagrec
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Quite a lot of difference to the countries you do and don`t invade and ravage, I would have thought.
You are right. Geography does not change the morality.
The real difference is that USA/UK have left Iraq/Afghanistan, but Russia will not be leaving Ukraine if they win.
tones
Tones deaf
Oliver Cromwell probably didn't possess the means of destroying Drogheda or Wexford, otherwise he might well have done it. He just had to be content with a few massacres.My first thought toothe original post included destroying cities but other than that it was completely pertinent…
anubisgrau
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actually what is done to afghanistan is worse. USA/UK invaded and left the country in a worse condition plus gave up on it for indefinite time. two big invaders in mere 20+ years brought afghanistan back to middle age more than talibans itself
ukraine will be supported forever, it has to remain a rusty nail in russian soft belly.
DimitryZ
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https://meduza.io/feature/2022/04/24/voyti-vo-mrak-i-naschupat-v-nem-lyudey
Very interesting if long article in Russian (maybe Google translate will work?). Two Russian journalists (the real kind) interview Russian citizens in different parts of Russia about their attitudes toward "SMO."
I think there is a lot of opinions our Russian and Serbian friends will recognize.
Very interesting if long article in Russian (maybe Google translate will work?). Two Russian journalists (the real kind) interview Russian citizens in different parts of Russia about their attitudes toward "SMO."
I think there is a lot of opinions our Russian and Serbian friends will recognize.
DimitryZ
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Russia seems to have made a lot of these nails - Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Osetia, Donbas, and now whole of Ukraine. But it's always someone else's fault.
A bit of humor. Russian propaganda has repeated the same denials for so long, german-style portmanteaus were coined to describe the standard refrains:
1. ихтамнеты - literally "thosenottheres" - soldiers whose existence can be denied - like Wagner mercs.
2. вывсеврете - literally "allyourlies" - all-purpose retort when Russia does something bad.
There are probably others, but those above caught my eye.
DonQuixote99
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You think in metaphors, don't you.
DimitryZ
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I think if we were in the Star Trek universe, there would be "Putin in Ukraine" as a metaphor for a horrible, self-created wound, born from hubris and stupidity.
Chaka, when the walls fell...
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Go in, trash the place then bugger off leaving warlords/religious nutters to take over. Not sure it's really loads better.
DimitryZ
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There was a small and surely already forgotten matter about mass murder event that originated from Afghanistan with tacit permission from the first Taliban government.
I don't remember Ukrainian terrorists killing three thousand Russian civilians in Moscow before Russia invaded in 2014 and again two months ago.
TheDecameron
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I had hoped #413 had clarified what I meant.
TheDecameron
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Yet some others seem to want to direct the thread from the current evil in Ukraine to past wars in Whataboutistan.
anubisgrau
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And Afghan terrorists did so?
"tacit permission from the first Taliban government" - I must remember this quote for future discussions about US/UK wars, I've thought we can't go worse than WMD
DimitryZ
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Yes, one OBL was their leader...in Afghanistan. They recruited in Saudi Arabia well. Lost a coworker on one of the planes, and escaped the same fate by flying one day early to a symposium.
Has American hostile actions in response (which I opposed at the time) somehow provoked Putin's mass murder in Ukraine today?
Whataboutism much?
mykel
Perpetual Hack.
So is it official? - Time for a flag change?
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1516183937311256580
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1516183937311256580
TheDecameron
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More “Russophobia”, in Germany this time -
The Berlin Philharmonic performed Tchaikovsky’s Queen of Spades under their director, the Russian Kirill Petrenko:
The Berlin Philharmonic performed Tchaikovsky’s Queen of Spades under their director, the Russian Kirill Petrenko:
Out of the selectively contextual pan into the disingenuous fire then. Pointing out the startling nature of your statement is neither diversion nor whataboutery BTW.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Enormous fires still burning in Russian city of Bryansk at an oil depot and a major armaments depot some miles away,
https://twitter.com/euromaidanpr/status/1518495578279354373?s=21&t=9AII-I7d2h16RAkex7IxbA
Ukraine has now struck major targets inside Russia at least twice and sunk their Black Sea flag ship. Maybe Russia will declare war on Ukraine in response to this unreasonable provocation?
https://twitter.com/euromaidanpr/status/1518495578279354373?s=21&t=9AII-I7d2h16RAkex7IxbA
Ukraine has now struck major targets inside Russia at least twice and sunk their Black Sea flag ship. Maybe Russia will declare war on Ukraine in response to this unreasonable provocation?
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