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Coronavirus - the new strain XXII

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It's rather early to say, but as Clive mentioned a couple of posts above there's some evidence that killer T cell immunity from the COVID vaccine provides better protection than natural immunity does even for the Omicron variant. As with all quickly evolving situations where new data can change the picture overnight we need to wait for the studies, but given the choice of having protection from Omicron from a vaccine or from getting COVID, I'll take the vaccine.

But, really, is the argument that you need to get COVID to be protected from COVID? That's like saying to lower the chances of breaking your arm, cut off your arm.

Joe
 
Govt health advice,

https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1466290706268438534?s=21

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Yet, The Saj, in The Telegraph:
Snog whoever you wish at Christmas, says Sajid Javid
Ministers trip over themselves to clarify official advice after Therese Coffey said ‘don’t kiss with people you don’t know’



Don’t die of ignorance
 
kensalriser said:
Vaccines give an additional layer of immunity, so everyone should get one regardless of whether they've had covid. There is no sensible argument against vaccines for almost everyone.
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Vaccines don't give immunity. They give your immune system a heads up, hopefully without side effects. But assuming what you actually meant, do you have any evidence for that assertion? How do we know OAS doesn't apply?

If you want a nightmare scenario consider Dengue fever, and then a SARS-Cov2 variant that triggers a vaccine trained immune response but is itself immune to that response. That could be fun.
 
What Ken wrote is figuratively correct.

If you want to get a bit more technical, vaccines stimulate your immune system to produce antibodies, similar to what happens if your immune system is exposed to an infectious disease. If you are exposed to a disease after you've developed antibodies, your immune system is primed to open a can of whup-ass on the pathogen.

Joe
 
Except the MRNA is not like a real vaccine, which is why they recently changed the definition.
 
kensalriser said:
Vaccines give an additional layer of immunity, so everyone should get one regardless of whether they've had covid. There is no sensible argument against vaccines for almost everyone.
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Covid booster shots significantly strengthen immunity, trial finds
Jabs offer far higher protection than that needed to prevent hospitalisation and death, Cov-Boost trial lead says

"One result that has caught scientists’ attention is that the T-cell response was as good against the Beta and Delta variants of concern as against the original virus that emerged from Wuhan. Asked if the finding might be relevant to the Omicron variant, Faust said: “Our hope as scientists is that protection against hospitalisation and death will remain intact.”

Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology at the University of Nottingham, who was not involved in the study, shared Faust’s optimism.

“Whilst variants, such as the Delta variant, reduced the overall virus-killing effect of antibodies, the T-cell responses were pretty much unaffected,” he said. “The fact that the mRNA vaccine boosts gave a marked increase in both antibodies and T-cells is great news, especially now, when our attention has been grabbed by the emergence of the Omicron variant."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...significantly-strengthen-immunity-trial-finds
 
The People’s Covid Inquiry, chaired by Michael Mansfield QC, took place fortnightly from 24 February-16 June 2021. It's report now released accuses the Government of Misconduct in Public Office.

Here's the report summary: Misconduct in public office. Why did so many thousands die unnecessarily?

The inquiry concluded that:
  • The Government treated bereaved families with disrespect and ignored their questions
  • It failed to address the seriousness of the pandemic before the March 2020 lockdown
  • Deep social inequality contributed to a more vulnerable population
  • Financial support for people needing to isolate was not sufficient to effectively reduce infection spread
  • The government’s delay in issuing advice to healthcare professionals, and advice to the public to rely on NHS 111, contributed to the coronavirus death toll
  • There was, and is, a “misplaced over-reliance on vaccines alone”
  • Government public health messages were often confused and contradictory
The inquiry also pointed to the huge waste of public money spent on an ineffective system for testing and tracing people thought to have been exposed to the virus.

“The disastrous decision to bypass the NHS and use the private sector to run the FTTIS (find, test, trace, isolate, support) system has thus far cost the taxpayer £37 billion without, according to the Public Accounts Committee, making a measurable difference to the pandemic,” the report said.

https://www.peoplescovidinquiry.com/
 
Latest figures from, the hopefully now recovered, Prof Pagel and a full discussion on Omicron with guest expert Professor Sheena Cruickshank, immunologist, University of Manchester.

There's a worrying increase in admissions among the u5's in SA. Prof Pagel is extremely impressive, as ever.

She urges JCVI to consider vax for 5-11s urgently! I'm glad we agree ;)

This is a terrific presentation...

 
Paul R said:
Vaccines don't give immunity. They give your immune system a heads up, hopefully without side effects. But assuming what you actually meant, do you have any evidence for that assertion? How do we know OAS doesn't apply?

If you want a nightmare scenario consider Dengue fever, and then a SARS-Cov2 variant that triggers a vaccine trained immune response but is itself immune to that response. That could be fun.
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As I said, no sensible argument against...
 
Paul R said:
If you want a nightmare scenario consider Dengue fever, and then a SARS-Cov2 variant that triggers a vaccine trained immune response but is itself immune to that response. That could be fun.
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Not as bad as if you drilled into the earth and set off a supervolcano. Have you been vaccinated AAMOI.
 
gavreid said:
There's a worrying increase in admissions among the u5's in SA.
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World service news had an interview with a SA ER doctor today and she mentioned the same - omicron is leading to a much different demographic in the ER. She's seeing infants through people in their 40s, and the hospitals do not have enough pediatric beds. Really worrying times for parents of young children.
 
Just had a quick dash round the local Asda. Mask usage is up from pretty much none the last time to maybe 40% now, but quite a few staff weren’t wearing them despite it being a legal requirement. No policing at all on the entrance whereas there was in the last lock-down with staff handing out free masks to those without.
 
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