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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIV

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Nye Samuel said:
Democracy is not a one off event that is then set in stone..it can be revised... otherwise we wouldn't have further GEs....The American's democratically altered their constitution to ban alcohol in 1918...The Volstead Act...aka prohibition...The authorities tried to make it work but through corruption and the rise of organised crime it failed and by 1933 the USA acknowledged that when Roosevelt repealed it and the ban on alcohol was removed...As prohibition failed so will Brexit...but Prohibition was on the statute books for 15:years...Brexit will last longer because the EU won't want us back due to perpetual poor behaviour by the British including threatening to breach international agreements that they signed.

Freedom of speech! I believe Brexit was and is a train wreck with no sunny uplands....My feelings are you won...own it...trouble is it is affecting my life and many others who never wanted this mess.

Even with the vote the mess could have been avoided had May sort some consensus between leavers and remainers....Norway? But instead we had May pandering to the ToryKips and with her own hate of immigration....we are now in this mess...like all history...it is more complex....the 2016 vote might be corrupt...it does not matter...as the leavers promised in 2016...we can remain in the CU and the SM...£350m to the NHS.....cheap gas....lots of wonderful trade deals including the USA....plus regaining the sovereignty we never lost....So you won...own it!
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Ah, another one I didn’t notice in the voting booth with me but apparently saw me vote to leave :rolleyes:.

Fact is, I think hard remainers are a disgrace but many thanks for obvs thinking I’m a liar.

I don’t own it. I didn’t win anything.

If you are looking for the owners, look no further than the hard remainers who have much greater ‘ownership’ of this than I do. Their infantile intransigence and disrespect of a democratic referendum has been costly. It is affecting my life and many others who never wanted this mess. Do you recognise the words?

Le Baron said:
I read it. This is an irrelevant diversionary tactic though. You seem unable to specify due to choosing a narrow view of 'democracy' and what upholding it means.
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I don’t do diversionary tactics. However, you obviously do whataboutism.
 
Brian said:
Ah, another one I didn’t notice in the voting booth with me but apparently saw me vote to leave :rolleyes:.

Fact is, I think hard remainers are a disgrace but many thanks for obvs thinking I’m a liar.

I don’t own it. I didn’t win anything.

If you are looking for the owners, look no further than the hard remainers who have much greater ‘ownership’ of this than I do. Their infantile intransigence and disrespect of a democratic referendum has been costly. It is affecting my life and many others who never wanted this mess. Do you recognise the words?


I don’t do diversionary tactics. However, you obviously do whataboutism.
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That is weak! You clearly didn't read what I said and you clearly do not understand the concept of democracy and that any decision is at best provisional...and unless you object to freedom of speech, I am free to criticise Brexit...but I didn't criticise the vote but it's aftermath...and again as you are defending the vote...you own it...I don't care what you voted...but please ditch the hypocrisy...Hard Leavers have hardly been a model of seeking to heal the rift that Brexit has caused.

PS: You definitely indulge in deflectionary language...blame others for what your side wanted.

PPS: Stop being a snowflake...I didn't call you a liar...I just don't agree with you but you are free to make your comments but on a forum don't be surprised when people challenge you ..all part of the rich tapestry of democracy.
 
We no longer have a local greengrocer, but we do have a twice weekly market. We subscribe to a veg box delivery from a local supplier. So we’re trying to minimise the fresh produce we buy from Sainsbugs. We can’t force them to accept £1 for a 79p product, but we can pay a smaller supplier direct, so the supermarket dominance of the market isn’t total.
 
eternumviti said:
I guess families are happy to eat crap as long as they've got 3 new leased cars on the driveway, the biggest OLED TV on the market and can live it up in Spain for their holidays.
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Don’t forget the new tablets and phones every couple of years. The disposable consumer culture has been extremely effective at sucking income from household budgets, plus of course, rising house prices. Look at the clothes people buy and literally wear a couple of times before throwing out. I’m sat here in a fat face top I bought at least 10 years ago. Then you have subscriptions. Sky, Netflix, Spotify etc, it all adds up. These didn’t exist when most of us were growing up. The vast majority wouldn’t have new cars every 3 years, now it’s the norm. The financialisation of everything is leaching money out of people, very successfully.

Fresh food is cheap in the UK, ridiculously so in the likes of Aldi. Trouble is, if we want to raise wages, we’ll all need to pay more for pretty much everything, which becomes inflationary. And so it continues.
 
notaclue said:
How was it possible that he could see the future so accurately? https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...xit-food-wine-clothes-shoes-lower-20-per-cent

Eerily accurate.

The shelves are now packed with bargain food. Isn't it? :eek:
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They must be permanently on the hippy crack/ laughing gas in the editorial offices down there. Covering their sorry arses with Liz Truss visits Mexico, British lamb unbanned in America ( great sales pitch, “try our safe meat, it’s no longer banned”) and Boris slaps down furious Macron.

Mogg should be sued for fraud btw.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
We no longer have a local greengrocer, but we do have a twice weekly market. We subscribe to a veg box delivery from a local supplier. So we’re trying to minimise the fresh produce we buy from Sainsbugs. We can’t force them to accept £1 for a 79p product, but we can pay a smaller supplier direct, so the supermarket dominance of the market isn’t total.
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Ponty said:
Don’t forget the new tablets and phones every couple of years. The disposable consumer culture has been extremely effective at sucking income from household budgets, plus of course, rising house prices. Look at the clothes people buy and literally wear a couple of times before throwing out. I’m sat here in a fat face top I bought at least 10 years ago. Then you have subscriptions. Sky, Netflix, Spotify etc, it all adds up. These didn’t exist when most of us were growing up. The vast majority wouldn’t have new cars every 3 years, now it’s the norm. The financialisation of everything is leaching money out of people, very successfully.

Fresh food is cheap in the UK, ridiculously so in the likes of Aldi. Trouble is, if we want to raise wages, we’ll all need to pay more for pretty much everything, which becomes inflationary. And so it continues.
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I very rarely shop in supermarkets, and have always loathed their philistinism towards food, and their tactics of bullying of planners and suppliers. Their communal depradations are there for all of us to see in the coffee shop monoculture of our high streets, but arguably less visible is the part they've played in the environmental disaster that has befallen our rural landscapes, where the EU's Common Agricultural Policy has played neatly into their hands - or rather pockets - as, encouraged by one of the most powerful lobby groups in the country, and hitherto in all of the EU, the NFU, they've collectively laid waste to countless thousands of acres of probably irreplaceable ecosystems.

I have to say that I'm not particularly moved by the dystopian images of shabby, empty shelves in those ghastly, bland, neon-lit avenues and behind the garish, primary coloured logos of Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda and the arguably even worse newcomers. We're wasteful, greedy, indolent and fat, and we're effing up our environment while we're at it. We might just need to reconsider our priorities.
 
I have to say that I twitched a bit when I checked my account balance at the farm shop yesterday - nearly £600, dammit.

But then that's a lot less than the monthly rental charge on one of the new Range Rovers clogging up the roads and lanes around here, and queuing up at the Harlow drive-thru McDonald's.
 
Nye Samuel said:
That is weak! You clearly didn't read what I said and you clearly do not understand the concept of democracy and that any decision is at best provisional...and unless you object to freedom of speech, I am free to criticise Brexit...but I didn't criticise the vote but it's aftermath...and again as you are defending the vote...you own it...I don't care what you voted...but please ditch the hypocrisy...Hard Leavers have hardly been a model of seeking to heal the rift that Brexit has caused.

PS: You definitely indulge in deflectionary language...blame others for what your side wanted.

PPS: Stop being a snowflake...I didn't call you a liar...I just don't agree with you but you are free to make your comments but on a forum don't be surprised when people challenge you ..all part of the rich tapestry of democracy.
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:D:D:D
 
When you think about it, 10 new Range Rovers in that MacDonalds shite drive thru queue represents a million quid of disposable. Staggering.
 
eternumviti said:
I have to say that I twitched a bit when I checked my account balance at the farm shop yesterday - nearly £600, dammit.

But then that's a lot less than the monthly rental charge on one of the new Range Rovers with which the roads and lanes around here are packed.
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I’d say you were in the minority. Many seem to prioritise signing up to a perpetual wheel of debt than eating well.
 
Brian said:
I don’t do diversionary tactics. However, you obviously do whataboutism.
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I don't really know what 'whataboutism' is supposed to mean. It seems to be used willy-nilly by a lot of people. Or how it applies to anything I said. Explain thoroughly please.
 
eternumviti said:
When you think about it, 10 new Range Rovers in that MacDonalds shite drive thru queue represents a million quid of disposable. Staggering.
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Reminds me of Princess Margaret’s expressed disappointment at Queen Charlotte’s Ball, “every tart in London is getting in now”.
 
TheDecameron said:
Reminds me of Princess Margaret’s expressed disappointment at Queen Charlotte’s Ball, “every tart in London is getting in now”.
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Ha, I wondered what your angle would be. As usual, beautifully left field.

What's your view on cheap food/expensive cars/environmental disaster?
 
eternumviti said:
When you think about it, 10 new Range Rovers in that MacDonalds shite drive thru queue represents a million quid of disposable. Staggering.
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I find the RR Sport the most ironic. You look (if you can see through the heavily tinted glass), the driver invariably appears as though they’d struggle to walk to KFC let alone engage in anything remotely resembling a sporting activity. It’s not difficult to see why the odds are stacked against the NHS.
 
eternumviti said:
The UK has a pervasive cheap food culture - we spend less of our household income on food than any other European nation, and about half of what it was when I was born at the tail end of the fifties. This has caused fierce competition at the point of sale, and as Steve says, the multiples force low costs on the producers, as well as making them pay for price promotions - when you get your bogoffs it isn't Mr Tescbury who is taking the hit.

I guess families are happy to eat crap as long as they've got 3 new leased cars on the driveway, the biggest OLED TV on the market and can live it up in Spain for their holidays.
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In truth it is everywhere in the highly-developed world. Your daughter will tell you that the supermarkets here also run bogof deals on cheap food and beer and snack rubbish. Same for milk, cheeses, overproduction of bread that is wasted. They're all at it. Just recently Albert Heijn made one of its periodic declarations to the press about how much good it is doing to 'reduce waste' - to sell its excess bread the next day at a reduced price. Rather than just not churning it out and having the same sorts of things left over at the end of the day. It's like no-one there has made the obvious connections - 10 bags of white baps left over every day probably means 10 bags of white baps too many every day.
 
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