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Increasing lack of GPs

Here are my comments on this. Please note my declaration of interests - I'm a consultant, my wife used to be a GP (but gave up to become a music teacher) and my sister is the senior GP partner in her practice.

1) Being a GP is actually the hardest job in medicine - the vast majority of patients each day will not have anything serious or life threatening - BUT the GP has to be able to pick out every serious problem out of the large number of minor (not to the patients though) ailments each and every week. It's much easier being a hospital specialist, as the GPs have done the hard work for you. To put this into context, I look after people with breast cancer and see lots of patients with breast problems every week, some of whom will sadly have trouble. The average GP will only see on average 2 new patients with breast cancer every year. I also used to look after people with a rare cancer called sarcoma and would see a new sarcoma regularly. The average GP will only see 1 sarcoma in their entire working lifetime.

2) A GP practice is a self contained business, which is contracted to the NHS. The GP partners have to run the business (finance, recruitment, premises/estates, HR disciplinary etc) as well as treat patients. Sure each practice will hire a practice manager to help with this. The GP partners's monthly drawings will vary according to the costs of running the practice. One of my GP colleagues took home nothing (yup zilch) for his monthly drawings as the senior partner just before the pandemic, as the costs of the practice meant that there was nothing for him to draw.

3) Hardly anyone now wants to become a GP partner, as they don't want the hassle or the financial responsibility of running the practice. Most younger GPs have become salaried GPs i.e. they come to work, see patients, take a fixed salary and don't get involved at all in running the practice. This change has led to an existential threat to many GP practices as hardly any partners are left in some practices, once the older partners retire.

4) All doctors (incl GPs and hospital Drs) were encouraged to triage or do telephone consultations during the pandemic. This was to protect staff and other patients, as COVID was contagious and infected GPs/practice nurse could a) become seriously ill or die and b) clinical staff could pass this onto other patients during the initial asymptomatic phase of the infection.

5) Medicine has become a less attractive career. 20 years ago, we knew that 25% of medical graduates gave up their medical careers within 5 years of graduation. This proportion has increased since then as other careers offer a better work life balance and sometimes better salaries too.

6) GPs usually work very long hours. Most are in before 0800 and rarely leave before 1930-2000. Apart from calling or seeing patients face to face, every GP has to write/check prescriptions, write referral letters to consultants, read the letters back from the hospital about their patients, check any lab tests. The partners also have to take time to run the business side as well.

7) The UK has always had amongst the lowest number of doctor per capita in Europe. This is not improving. As the population ages, the healthcare demands of each patient become ever more complex. Moreover, many of the services previously run by hospitals eg diabetes monitoring, breast cancer follow up etc have been handed back by hospitals to GPs to add further burden to their work.

8) One of the main reasons why the UK has a low number of doctors goes back to the inception of the NHS in 1948. The NHS is a virtual monopoly employer of healthcare staff (in primary and secondary care), unlike virtually every other western country. The private sector in the UK is very small by comparison. University admissions to medical school is regulated by the Govt, which ties this in with workforce planning for the NHS. Medical workforce planning has been derisory for decades. Other countries train far more doctors, as they have co-existing vibrant private and Govt healthcare sectors. That means that if the universities train too many doctors, those graduates have the ability to earn a living in the private sector. This substantial private healthcare provision means that there is less strain on the Govt healthcare system - vis a vis in France.

I'm sure that there are other issues as well, which I have forgotten, but I hope my GP colleagues feel that I have put their case for them.
Fantastic post Charlie.
 
I'm not "in the biz", but I get the impression that general practice is regarded by medics as lower status than working in a hospital. I think it's difficult to overcome the effects of that opinion, and also difficult to change that opinion.
 
Somebody somewhere needs to work out how to prevent 50% of newly qualified medics leaving the UK within 2 or 3 years of qualification. It may mean forcing medics to stay or else having to repay more of their med school fees, but short of making terms and conditions more acceptable, I cannot see any other answer.

It would be very hard to force medics to stay or refund a larger proportion of the fees - that would be challenged as being discriminatory when compared to other graduates.

The issue is probably less to do with actual salaries (although that is still important), but more to do with woeful workforce planning. Regular unfilled slots on juniors rotas, unacceptable workload and total lack of appreciation by NHS managers means that morale is low and junior doctors feel totally unvalued. The total disdain by NHS managers (both middle and senior) for doctors and nurses of any sort is absolutely demotivating.

In days gone by, staff were valued and cared for by the hospitals. Doctors worked stupidly long hours, but accepted that as they were treated relatively well. It's simple things like being able to have a hot meal when there is a quiet period. Previously you could get egg and chips way past midnight in some hospitals, as staff canteens opened well into the early hours to make sure that staff were fed and watered. That's all gone now - you're lucky if you can find a half edible sandwich in a vending machine.
 
In addition to all the excellent reasons given by Hifinutt, doctorf and Charlie above, another one I believe is the financial pressure on the entire NHS and the effect this has on GPs and time spent per patient. The UK spends less on health than many (most?) wealthy European countries. An increasing proportion of the NHS budget goes on management, outside services and other overhead. Meanwhile the population expands and gets older.

Most consultations have been cut back to 10 minutes max. One of the attractions of being a GP used to be the ability to develop long term knowledge of patients and their case histories, i.e. some sort of relationship. It is very difficult to develop that understanding of the patient's overall situation when you have less than 10 minutes to see the patient, diagnose, prescribe, fill all the forms, and make sure you have covered all areas of potential risk and liability. The job has become relatively unattractive. Bright students can make more money in other professions, usually at lower risk and with shorter studies (10 years to become a GP), so there has been an element of vocation for a long time, but the constraints just keep making it more difficult.

Most junior doctors these days have no intention of becoming GPs. They will work in hospitals, clinics or leave the NHS entirely. The minority that will go into General Practice will be squeezed trying to serve the health needs of an ageing population, in an environment of increasing technical complexity, greater risk aversion and ever tighter budgets.
 
well put and 100% agree

a lovely couple i know , he has just got first GP post and the lady has gone into hospice care , many are attracted to the hospice care as you tend to have more time with patients
 
I think it just gives the doctor an option to shut up the hypos or just ordinary people that like talking about themselves to someone who can’t tell them to shut the F**k up.
 
A few observations from a 'punter'.

-I registered at the village surgery when we moved here 45 years ago and was always happy with the service I got, to the extent that I generally accepted an appointment with any of the GPs because..as I often said, 'They are all qualified'. But..about five or six years ago the surgery's quality began to seriously diminish. It became near impossible to get an appointment at all. And since my 'named' GP also happened to be the Practice Cardio specialist..and by common consent the 'best' GP of the lot..it became impossible to get an appt. with him. Meanwhile.. he left a Partnership at the practice and returned as a 'Locum'. Common consensus locally is that much of this is down to the 'Practice Manager', who seems to be universally detested by Med staff and patients alike... which of course begs the question.. Why is she still in post?

- I moved to the practice in the next village down. It is no longer realistically within walking distance, but is otherwise way better. They have things like touch screen check in..instead of the Neanderthal 'Bits of numbered paper and Pavlovian Bells' still used in the village practice. They also offer 15 minute appointments, and the Docs actually come out of their rooms to collect patients. Better for patients, and for GPs too... as they at least get a short walk every 15 mins or so.

GPs there also work a 4 day week and their earnings are published on the Practice Website.

Even during the height of the pandemic, I was offered a couple of face to face appointments after submitting 'eConsults'.

About two weeks back I emailed the practice asking for a 'non repeat' prescription, and a referal for x-ray. Both were sorted within an afternoon, I attended for x-ray the next morning, and the GP had emailed results to me by afternoon.

Whilst I recognise that not all patients, elderly or otherwise, are sufficiently computer literate..or literate, full stop, to take full advantage of 'eConsults' etc.., I have no problem with them if they are properly used, and do not exclude less 'able' patients.

-'Workforce Planning' is definitely not 'a thing' in the world of contemporary Toryism. That, my friends, is a function of the Market...and the Market for GPs in the Public Sector is simply not strong enough... Or. to translate....it does not make sufficient return for Tory Politicians and their friends. It is THAT simple. They neither believe in, nor want, universal health care which is free at the point of delivery and they are quietly doing everything they can to undermine it. They will not do anything to increase the home grown supply of GPs, Nurses, etc. There is nothing in it for them and it runs the risk of the NHS continuing to be moderately successful. They don't want that.

Brexit. Hardly needs spelling out.
 
I think it just gives the doctor an option to shut up the hypos or just ordinary people that like talking about themselves to someone who can’t tell them to shut the F**k up.

Hmm. I have very real cardio issues. THESE ARE REAL.

I have also had two mercifully minor strokes. THEY WERE REAL

I also now have very real mobility issues due to arthritis. THESE ARE REAL.

I'm also blessed with lifelong and recurrent ANXIETY, which I have done my best to deal with by taking every treatment/therapy available. ANXIETY IS REAL.

Sometimes.. I have other health issues. Sometimes I'm not entirely sure of the extent to which they are REAL or the result of ANXIETY. I am always honest with my GP about this.

They understand.

You clearly don't.

Pray that you never find out.
 
Here are my comments on this. Please note my declaration of interests - I'm a consultant, my wife used to be a GP (but gave up to become a music teacher) and my sister is the senior GP partner in her practice.

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5) Medicine has become a less attractive career. 20 years ago, we knew that 25% of medical graduates gave up their medical careers within 5 years of graduation. This proportion has increased since then as other careers offer a better work life balance and sometimes better salaries too.

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Wow! From a US perspective this statement comes as a surprise. Off the top of my head, I can think of no other Profession offering the same degree of social respect and income as medicine. Something must be seriously off kilter to make a qualified doctor leave the field.

Just curious, what sort of income does a UK middle level GP make, as opposed to a specialist? No need for specifics, just ball park figures will do.
 
Wow! From a US perspective this statement comes as a surprise. Off the top of my head, I can think of no other Profession offering the same degree of social respect and income as medicine. Something must be seriously off kilter to make a qualified doctor leave the field.

Just curious, what sort of income does a UK middle level GP make, as opposed to a specialist? No need for specifics, just ball park figures will do.

In the UK, the training programmes vary when compared to the US.
US Intern 2 yrs = UK Foundation Doctor 2 years

Residency training programme equivalent in UK:
Family Practice - 3 years
Internal medicine - minimum 7 years (but may include 2-3 years research for PhD or other higher degree) - typically 9 - 11 years
General Surgery - minimum 8 years (but will 2-3 years research for PhD or other higher degree) - typically 11 - 13 years
Radiology - minimum 7 years
Anaesthesiology - minimum 7 years

Typical salaries for UK principals in US dollars (1 GBP = 1.4 USD)

Family Practitioner - salaried (i.e. not a share holder in the business) USD 100k
Family Practitioner - partner (i.e. share holder in the business) USD 140-160k
Attending NHS salary (same for all specialties) - starting salary USD 115k maximum circa USD 250k after 20 years service with the highest Platinum clinical excellence award (ie for the very top <1% specialists in the UK)

Typical salaries for interns and residents in US dollars

Intern - USD 48 k
Junior resident - USD 70k
Chief resident - USD 95 k
 
Reasonable numbers, it seems. So it's not about low pay.

Don't forget that these are gross salaries. The UK income tax rates are significantly higher than in the USA and the cost of living (especially housing) is much higher in the UK than in the US.

So for a typical starting attending (surgeon/physician/anesthesiologist/OBGYN) salary of circa USD 115 k, the take home would be about USD 75 k per annum. A typical UK attending will be appointed 11-13 years post med school graduation vs typically 7-9 yrs in the US.

The training programmes and entry are very different in the UK. Apart from family practice, few residency training programmes are run through as in the US. In the US, once a doctor has got onto the residency, he/she will progress through and complete the training subject to annual review. Once the doctor has passed his/her Board Exam, he/she can apply for an attending post. That attending post could be in a County or University Hospital or in private practice.

In the UK, all the major specialties have a "two stage" residency with initial core training CT and specialty training ST. Even if you complete the core training (junior resident), you have to apply for and compete again for a specialty training post (senior resident). In some specialties eg surgery, a significant number of CT doctors never get a ST post and cannot progress in their chosen field. This creates significant career path uncertainty and many doctors have to change career or may even give up medicine.

On top of that, if you actually get your ST post and become fully trained, there is no guarantee that you will get an attending (Consultant) post in the UK or at least where you might wish to settle. The NHS is virtually a monopoly employer, as the private hospital sector in the UK is much smaller. The UK medical insurance companies (eg equivalent to Kaiser, Blue Shield etc) will only reimburse for treatment performed by consultants , who also hold a substantive NHS consultant or attending post. If you dolt get a NHS consultant post, you can't work in the private sector, even if you have the equivalent of the Board Exam. So after 11-13 years of post grad training, you could end up being unable to get an attending post in the area best suited to your partner and family.

It's a very complex issue. When I was the equivalent of a Chief Resident in Oxford back in the mdi 90s, we used to have 2 senior residents from Johsn Hospkins and 1 from Milwaukee. The UK training was better than the US programmes in those days (before the European Work Time Directive limiting workers to 48 hrs per week). But now I tell young UK doctors to consider strongly the option of moving to the US, as the training is better and career prospects better too.
 
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^crystal clear summary. One consultant I know calls the whole specialization curriculum a form of prolonged adolescence.
 
Don't forget that these are gross salaries. The UK income tax rates are significantly higher than in the USA and the cost of living (especially housing) is much higher in the UK than in the US.

The US low cost of living is a myth. My property tax is $10k a year (regardless of income), I pay about $6k a year toward my healthcare (20k a year including employer contributions) and my daughter is currently attending a local college with a scholarship to the tune of $40k a year.

groceries, home heating and cooling, water, all are much more expensive than the UK.

In the US your wants might be cheaper, but your needs are considerably more expensive.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see a large number of UK doctors trying to move to Australia or New Zealand when they are allowed in.
 


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