gavreid
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Where's the template risk assessment for schools then, how are my kids protected? And me? You're full of ...
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Where's the template risk assessment for schools then, how are my kids protected? And me? You're full of ...
mandryka
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Well here's one, done by professionals who know. Done in consultation with NEU, NASUWT, Unison. Dated from Feb this year -- so it's delta aware.
No additional measures required, they say that the risks can be dealt with by things like
https://www.rainhillhighschool.org.uk/uploads/2021/Covid-Information/COVID-19-Risk-Assessment-V9.pdf
There you go. Nothing to worry about.
zarniwoop
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No there isn't. Hospital waiting lists are > 5 million and have been growing all through the pandemic. Targets on first appointments for urgent referrals are not being met, and with ~800 a day being admitted this is likely to get worse.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-s...orkforce/pressures/pressure-points-in-the-nhs
gavreid
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Bollocks. All the teaching Unions have written collectively to Government just this last week
RUBBISH! The Delta strain didn't appear in UK until March.
1. That is just incorrect - if it were correct then the FDA would not have approved the use of monoclonals, yet they did.
2. We know monoclonals were used to treat the Orange shitgibbon back in December.
3. If you were correct, Public Health England would not be licencing their use.
4. Why would you think monoclonals produce 'side effects' in the way that humoral anti-bodies stimulated by a vaccine wouldn't?
5. I am intrigued as to why you think an anti-body produced in vitro is somehow different to an anti-body produced in vivo (Hint: There is no difference).
6. I very much doubt you understand what a monoclonal anti-body actually is.
For those that want to know just what monoclonal anti-bodies are:
We have known about them for 40+ years. When I was doing my BSc we used them as 'probes' to hunt out specific antigens (for eg on Bacterial cell surfaces) - you could tag them wth a radiological or fluorescent isotope and use them as diagnotic tools.
What is a monoclonal anti-body?
You will remember that, earlier in the thread, I discussed Lymphocytes and how they divide into 2 classes - those that recirculate in the blood and lymphatic system, and those that reside within the lymph nodes.
The former are T Cells (so called because they are processed in the thymus) - these divide into Cytotoxic T cells that kill infected cells as well as 'T Helper Cells' that 'present' foreign antigens to the anti-body producing cells and 'help' them with anti-body production (there are also K Cells - anti-body dependant cytotoxic cells that kill infections, as well as NK Cells that target cancer cells).
The cells that reside in the lymph nodes are B Cells - it is these cells that produce anti-bodies.
A single B Cell clonal line will produce a single specific anti-body, targeted against a single specific antigen.
So, if you can grow a single clonal line of B Cells in vitro (and you can - we've been doing it for 40+ years) you can produce a large amout of a single specific anti-bodies targeting a single antigen.
THAT is what monoclonal anti-bodies are.
Ergo, if you can produce monoclonals that target Covid19 you have a weapon against it.
mandryka
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No probs, here's a couple from Summer 2021, they say that the risks can be dealt with by things like this -- no additional controls required
https://www.bluecoatschoolliverpool...VID-Risk-Assessment-update-June-21st-2021.pdf
https://www.bealhighschool.co.uk/wp...d-19-RA-2021_2022-v46-post-roadmap-step-4.pdf
https://www.rainhillhighschool.org.uk/uploads/COVID-19-.Risk-Assessment-V10.pdf
https://www.ellisguilfordschool.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/EGS-RA-Full-Opening-V21.pdf
https://www.alsagerschool.org/wp-co...sessment-Alsager-Year-6-Transition-Days-1.pdf
https://www.gms.bucks.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/GMS-COVID_19-Risk-Assessment-17.5.2021.pdf
Once again, these are risk assessments completed by professionals.
Seanm
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There’s zero justification for this kind of unequivocal statement. As far as I’m aware the balance of evidence suggests that this is not the case.
farfromthesun
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Dickhead anti-vaxxer from Right Said Fred in hospital with Covid and refusing vaccine.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/20/righ...ith-covid-but-still-refuses-vaccine-15126800/
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/20/righ...ith-covid-but-still-refuses-vaccine-15126800/
Professional Teachers, NOT professional virologists/epidemiologists/immunologists.
You are being an utter tit.
Please stop with the idiocracy, that gets people dead.
bigjonny
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I never thought I’d see my old school on here
apologies for the frivolity, I’ve been drinking.Having widows , doors and fire doors in corridors wide open, in winter, yeah, thats going to be a bundle of laughs.
Saying 'adjust clothing' - well, really??
Expecting to teach kids, or kids having an attention span of greater than 5 minutes when dressed in a classroom for winter, I cannot see that.
There are plenty of alternatives, (plasma, UV, aircontrol ducting with anti viral UV) but I guess those are rather more ££$$ than having an icy blast.
Saying 'adjust clothing' - well, really??
Expecting to teach kids, or kids having an attention span of greater than 5 minutes when dressed in a classroom for winter, I cannot see that.
There are plenty of alternatives, (plasma, UV, aircontrol ducting with anti viral UV) but I guess those are rather more ££$$ than having an icy blast.
farfromthesun
pfm Member
Last assessment was 6 months ago.
Your blasé trolling is unwelcome. Can only assume that these contributions, along with the utter pompous shite that you post, suggests that you're completely and utterly isolated and not impacted in any way by Covid. As such, you should desist from your continual attempt to undermine others who actually have something worthwhile to offer.
gavreid
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I proved it here last October
Exactly.
Could add use of HEPA filters at point of delivery in any mechanical delivery system.
I had a look at 2 of the teacher risk assessments and one said "adequate ventilation" and one said "good ventilation". No indication as to how this would be measured, assessed or whether it was based on expert advice or government recommendations, why the schools view this differently etc.
mandryka
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Yes, you could dismiss the teachers' own risk assessment of the issues in their schools. Yes.
Seanm
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This wasn’t me?
mandryka
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Yes but the internet is full of these risk assessments, and no dissenting voices from the schools themselves that I can find. I know there could be all sorts of reasons for that, but now the justification of the necessity of extra ventilation in classrooms has become much more complicated, because it looks like the people on the ground - and that presumably includes the scientists who work for the local authorities -- aren't articulating the need. The union head office may be -- but they are political.
It's much more complicated than the initial post by Gavin suggests.
On the one hand the schools themselves are saying all they need to do is open the windows,; on the other, Gavin is saying that they are not sufficiently safe unless they have additional ventilation. I can’t possibly say who’s right!
Once again we're faced with an oversimplification, a sort of populism.
Seanm
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Do you realise how this sounds?
We really do need to see some evidence for the claim that schools are the main driver of infections. I haven’t seen any: I’m not omniscient but it sounds like the kind of thing that would be very well publicised if it existed.
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