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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIII

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The National Fronts are racist parties, aren’t they?
Our very own Le Pen was a eurodéputé but she proned Frexit at some point. Stupid woman. Stupid electors who voted en masse for her.
Any bells?
 
This is like the old schoolyard riposte of ‘no, you’re xxx’ (whatever the xxx accusation was). In other words, somebody accuses you, and all you can come back with is ‘no, that’s you, that is’. Dec’s accessing and posting UKIP chaff is quite obviously by way of a sort of fact-checking service - establishing the provenance of your latest fly-tipped drivel. I’m glad somebody is prepared to get soiled in order to do it.

 
Not so good I suspect. She has fewer electors and she has no programme. But that is good for Macron whose victory will be easy.
There is nobody else really.
We’ll see when the campaign begins.
 
I thought of an actual benefit the other day, in that once it's done -- and this being the central election promise we can presumably expect that soon -- we won't have to hear any more from Dominic Cummings.

How's that working out for everyone?
 
No one can say whether she was really, deep down, a Remainer or a closet Brexiter. It is possible she doesn't know either.

My guess is May's ideology on the subject was shaped by her frustrations as the Home Secretary, her ambition and total opportunism. As long as it looked that Remain was going to carry the day, she pragmatically took a (minimum service) Remain stance, just enough to stay in with Cameron. After the shock of the referendum result and Cameron's departure, she saw opportunity for herself but realized she needed to get back in with the ERG headbangers, sharpish, to secure the party head position and, more importantly, hold on to it as PM. The Lancaster House speech was her way of trying to secure her position, and to hell with the consequences.

Her astonishing cruelty and pettiness as Home Secretary (Windrush, ‘Hostile Environment’, ‘Go Home’ vans etc) makes it very hard for me to believe she was even slightly in the ‘remain’ camp. I suspect any impression given to that effect was mere political manoeuvring. People died as a direct result of her extremism.
 
I don't see the point of going over this anymore. Brexit has happened, it wasn't rainbows and unicorns, nor was it armageddon. I'm more concerned about what Johnson and his far-right authoratarian Government are doing to the UK and what state it will be in by the time that enough of the sheeple wake up to them. I have no doubt that the next General Election will be the most important in our history.
 
It hasn't, the main issues were all kicked down the road and the reckoning for them is still awaited. That is why this issue is still alive and it will be for many moons.

Plus, Brexit is the reason we've ended up with a narcissistic, opportunist, lying, law-breaking, oafish eejit as PM. He's by far the worst in my lifetime, and his epitaph will likely be 'the man who destroyed the UK'.
 
It hasn't, the main issues were all kicked down the road and the reckoning for them is still awaited. That is why this issue is still alive and it will be for many moons.

Ok, I should rephrase it to "we have left the EU". I agree, I don't think we are close to seeing the damage that Brexit will do. We were the sick man of Europe prior to joining the EEC and that's where we will be again in less than a decade.
 
Brexit has happened, it wasn't rainbows and unicorns, nor was it armageddon. I'm more concerned about what Johnson and his far-right authoratarian Government are doing to the UK and what state it will be in by the time that enough of the sheeple wake up to them.

The two are inseparable. Brexit brought far-right nationalism right into the mainstream, Johnson’s till-dipping Trump-clones are the political manifestation. It also destroyed Labour as a political force. At every stage the Tories are shoring-up their position. I suspect it will be all but impossible to get rid of them now.
 
The phrase we used for other countries: "getting the leaders you deserve" has come back to bite us hard on the ar!@
 
Seventeen million well-informed people who knew what they were doing.
We have Macron for the same reasons here. Only idiots voted for him.

Obviously entirely different idiots, given that M Macron is probably the most forceful proponent of 'Europa' in European politics at the moment.
 
I’m often bemused that people don’t see the distinction between racist-nationalist (BNP;UKIP, etc) and nationalist-nationalist (SNP). The word ‘nationalist’ is not a synonym for ‘racist’.
Depends on the context. National Socialism, National Front, British National Party, etc.

It's the law of undesired associations. I bought a neckerchief in the colours of the General Lee flag, as a souvenir of a holiday touring the southern states. We all remember it from the Dukes of Hazzard. I had to dump it when it became associated with the US white supremacists.
 
The two are inseparable. Brexit brought far-right nationalism right into the mainstream, Johnson’s till-dipping Trump-clones are the political manifestation. It also destroyed Labour as a political force. At every stage the Tories are shoring-up their position. I suspect it will be all but impossible to get rid of them now.

As you've said in the past, you are an 'introverted IT/computer geek with no knowledge of history'.

Be assured that history shows that his day will come, probably much sooner than you think - hubris, nemesis, hamartia etc, goes back a long way, and indeed there's a clear irony (and a certain warning that he might just dodge it, but only once) in that it's his own subject.

Even the DT, which it seems only a few months ago was falling over itself, embarrassingly so, to extoll his virtues, has turned on him.
 
UKIP are/were a racist party. The Tories have turned into UKIP and have absorbed them. The SNP are a Scottish party. They aren’t racist.
The SNP is a single issue, nationalist party supported by nationalists. It has no other policies of any note. Ukip is described similarly.

I’m often bemused that people don’t see the distinction between racist-nationalist (BNP;UKIP, etc) and nationalist-nationalist (SNP). The word ‘nationalist’ is not a synonym for ‘racist’.

I’m often amused at the idea of any difference between people in the north of England who voted for brexit to escape Brussels control and people voting SNP to escape Westminster control.
 
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