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Coronavirus - the new strain XIX

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What’s the point of quarantining someone who’s fully vaccinated? I mean, I’ve not seen the figures, but if full vaccination is felt to be a good thing for care home workers, that must be because it really reduces your viral load. Add to this that the EU countries would have been daft not to make sure that there’s a high rate of vaccination among the residents in the big tourist centres - Greek and Spanish islands, Costa Brava etc.

And add to this that I really want to take a few days in Holland next month . . .
It sounds increasingly like a nice convenient political pact cooked up at the G7. Europe gets to shore up its inadequate vaccine program by appearing strong on secure borders etc, UK gets to play up the nasty EU rhetoric. Germans will still be going to Spain I'm sure?
 
Me too having been left with a rubbish sense of smell, being even crapper at remembering names and insomnia. Nothing that’s stopping me doing anything, but as we say, a bit of a bloody nuisance. I’m certain there’s a range and most people are somewhere on the workable end of it. Certainly most of the people I know with longer lasting effects have it quite mildly. Only one person in my circle of acquaintances has been unable to go back and function. Another had a prolonged absence. Not a perfect sample of course, but I think we have to be careful of going overboard. We have to learn to live with this thing as we aren’t getting rid of it.

On another note, I’m very grateful to @gavreid for all his hard work, was pleased to see you were using the MEN charts recently, I’ve used those for months. I noticed you’d not used them recently. They seem to be significantly more positive, it appears to me the virus has run into the vaccinated population and is slowing down. Would you agree with that hypothesis? The rise in numbers is definitely slowing down.
A friend who’s an ITU consultant got it last December and his taste is ok but his sense of smell is still corrupted months later and he finds it really bugs him. Some foods smell nothing like they should and perfumed products smell very odd to him.
 
BTW caught a bus to New Cross with my wife this morning to accompany her for her 2nd jab - ten other people on the top deck, only three wearing face coverings. We opted to walk home.

Anecdotal I know, but those were my sort of observations when in Herne Hill, Dulwich and Peckham a week or two ago. The shops were the same. I left and went back to my country retreat asap :D
 
Anecdotal I know, but those were my sort of observations when in Herne Hill, Dulwich and Peckham a week or two ago. The shops were the same. I left and went back to my country retreat asap :D

It’s an south east London thing probably, you know what they’re like over there. Wombles are all good boys and girls.
 
..but obviously doesn't eliminate it. I guess you can argue the toss as to whether that's enough.

BTW caught a bus to New Cross with my wife this morning to accompany her for her 2nd jab - ten other people on the top deck, only three wearing face coverings. We opted to walk home.

On Monday evening a work colleague was told a family member he had seen at the weekend was unwell and had tested positive.

He felt perfectly well and is fully vaccinated. However, a subsequent PCR test has since confirmed that he has contracted COVID which means he may well have passed it onto others in the office, some of whom are clinically extremely vulnerable - including myself.
 
On Monday evening a work colleague was told a family member he had seen at the weekend was unwell and had tested positive.

He felt perfectly well and is fully vaccinated. However, a subsequent PCR test has since confirmed that he has contracted COVID which means he may well have passed it onto others in the office, some of whom are clinically extremely vulnerable - including myself.

Sorry to hear that - hope he hasn't passed it on to you. I got a shielding letter last time around so I've been pretty careful. Being fully vaccinated has given me a lot more confidence but I get a little uncomfortable when people in the workplace take that to mean they no longer have to distance etc. The vaccines are absolutely brilliant but as your experience shows they're not a magic bullet.
 
A friend who’s an ITU consultant got it last December and his taste is ok but his sense of smell is still corrupted months later and he finds it really bugs him. Some foods smell nothing like they should and perfumed products smell very odd to him.

This is true, can’t smell lemons, but can smell lime, other things just smell a little odd.
 
This is true, can’t smell lemons, but can smell lime, other things just smell a little odd.
Yep, my sense of smell is gradually returning to something more normal, but some perfumed items like shampoo still don’t smell how they used to. It doesn’t appear to have affected my ability to smell my urine after eating asparagus, however :mad:.
 
Ne paniquez pas!


70% of delta in the region called Les Landes.

I say once again in front of France, be scared of the virus, don't be scared of the vaccine . . . the vaccine is for your freedom . . . I say to young people that the vaccine will permit you to go to sports matches and on holidays . . . vaccination is a national cause, we can't go backwards . . . the way out is called vaccination . . .

The French are getting to see how people voted for Brexit. No amount of rational talking to them will influence their decision making.
I read somewhere that we Irish are the complete opposite to the French. We always love anything that is free :D.

On a serious note what are the current UK figures for people with both jabs? age profile and percentage of population.
Just curious. We appear to be hitting people in their late forties with the second jab now. 13 in ICU but still have 300 cases a day with concerns around the delta variant and nervous eyes on the delta variant plus.
 
On Monday evening a work colleague was told a family member he had seen at the weekend was unwell and had tested positive.

He felt perfectly well and is fully vaccinated. However, a subsequent PCR test has since confirmed that he has contracted COVID which means he may well have passed it onto others in the office, some of whom are clinically extremely vulnerable - including myself.

Pretty sure I read, on my phone, this morning that 4000 people in California who have had double jabs have contracted coronavirus
 
The French are getting to see how people voted for Brexit. No amount of rational talking to them will influence their decision making.
I read somewhere that we Irish are the complete opposite to the French. We always love anything that is free :D.

On a serious note what are the current UK figures for people with both jabs? age profile and percentage of population.
Just curious. We appear to be hitting people in their late forties with the second jab now. 13 in ICU but still have 300 cases a day with concerns around the delta variant and nervous eyes on the delta variant plus.

Think it’s about 45million if you believe the lying Tory bstards who are running the country, we’re apparently vaccinating 18 year olds now.
 
Think it’s about 45million if you believe the lying Tory bstards who are running the country, we’re apparently vaccinating 18 year olds now.

Thanks so you are well ahead still of Ireland. We are currently vaccinating people in their thirties (first dose). But our hospital numbers have collapsed as we have managed to vaccinate fully our most vulnerable groups and over 50's. It would appear we are approx 2-3 months behind the UK rates. We Irish have always been envious of the NHS. Our system is not bad but everything in the NHS system has always been ahead of what we manage especially in the public system.
 
Thanks so you are well ahead still of Ireland. We are currently vaccinating people in their thirties (first dose). But our hospital numbers have collapsed as we have managed to vaccinate fully our most vulnerable groups and over 50's. It would appear we are approx 2-3 months behind the UK rates. We Irish have always been envious of the NHS. Our system is not bad but everything in the NHS system has always been ahead of what we manage especially in the public system.

how many people have been vaccinated in the uk
 
I keep reading these sorts of things and where is the surprise? The vaccines are not 100% effective!

Well I know that and so so most people I speak to.

I was watching the France Portugal match last night live from Budapest and the stadium was full but Hungary were playing Germany in Munich at the same time, the stadium in Munich was only about a quarter full, in Budapest I doubt there were many wearing masks.
 

And yet COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths continue to fall in Massachusetts. With a population of ~6.5 million we have around 50 new positive tests a day, fewer than 100 people in hospital and around 5 deaths a day.

A positive PCR test is pretty meaningless if no-one is getting sick. From the article you linked:

""We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration," said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, according to the Boston Herald. "The viral load is not very high.""

Life is more or less back to normal here - no venue capacity restrictions, masks optional except on public transport - and despite the lack of restrictions cases, hospitalizations and deaths have fallen consistently for the last few months.

My takeaway from this that two doses of the mRNA vaccine are extremely effective.
 
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