sideshowbob
Champagne fascia aficionado
Yes we must be respectful of those who prefer narrow baffle multi driver speakers with chuffing ports while they spout some nonsense about colouration and accuracy.
That really did make me LOL
Yes we must be respectful of those who prefer narrow baffle multi driver speakers with chuffing ports while they spout some nonsense about colouration and accuracy.
They are fairly neutral too, though not perfectly so, but any room will mess with the perceived neutrality way more than the speakers’ presentation would.
That is a common excuse for bad speaker designs. A very none linear speaker will even sound worse through the influence of the room. A relative linear speaker is the basic requirement for a good sound reproduction IMO.
BTW: The raised bass FQ will cover the HF without a doubt and because most (all) rooms dampen the HF way more than the BF and therefore you will have even less HF.
Again, honestly! I don't have anything against the Arden Legacy. I would consider them for a bigger living room too because I like speakers which can do scale. So I'm very curious to hear one even if they don't fit in my tiny 14sqm room but it doesn't make any sense to hide the facts.
@cooky1257 : The on axis response goes from 88dB at 1kHz up to 97dB @4kHz = +/-4.5dB = 9dB sum.
I don't have a measurement plot from my C7 XD but from the C7 40th.A.E. from the same magazine.
The on axis response goes from 84dB at 5.5kHz up to 88dB @150Hz = +/-2dB = 4dB sum.
It also makes a big difference if you have a falling frequency response with small peaks and bumps or a big suck out around 5dB over
I can't say how a speaker will sound exactly but I can say if it will be neutral or not if I have a good frequency response chart (and even better RTA 60 measurement).
BTW: I didn't say that the C7 is neutral.
@hermit For safety! I didn't call the Tannoy Arden Legacy a bad speaker design (see the EDIT). I said the phrase from JTC is often used for bad speaker designs (most of the time from the designer). That isn't the same.
I don't believe a big speaker like the Arden will work out in room sizes like mine. If such big speakers in a very small room make you happy, I'm happy for you. But I know what I like and I have used bigger speakers before in this room which made even more trouble than the small C7 XD. Even they cause a big room mode bump at 37Hz about 15db, the bigger speaker with a 25cm driver peaked the mode at 37Hz up to 25dB!
I know what some guys from Asia are doing. I really don't want to be rude so I'm only going to say that it doesn't make any sense to me and I bet I won't like the sound but everybody is free to do what ever he wants in audio. Again, I don't mean it in an offensive way.
@hermit uses my old Tannoy Lockwoods and, although I haven't personally heard them in his room, I know other pfm members who have heard them and they all say the sound great, and I have no reason to doubt this.
My 2 cents, for what it's worth:
@hermit uses my old Tannoy Lockwoods and, although I haven't personally heard them in his room, I know other pfm members who have heard them and they all say the sound great, and I have no reason to doubt this.
I, on the other hand, couldn't get them to behave well enough in my 4.2m x 3.8m room without resorting to DSP to smooth out the response, not just the bass but also the mids (the upper mids needed boosting a bit). I didn't need to DSP the treble because I was listening off-axis (speakers flat against the wall), but if I was listening on-axis then I would have used DSP to roll off the rising treble too.
My main axial length room mode is around 43Hz but this issue is simple to deal with even when I place speakers close to the front wall, I simply pull my listening seat forward (away from the rear wall) until the mode flattens. If I wasn't able to move my seat forward, a similar result could be easily achieved with EQ. Also, I'm almost certain the Lockwood's bass started rolling-off from 50Hz, perhaps even higher, so it didn't excite my 43Hz mode as much as a speaker with deeper bass extension, such as a big IMF transmission line. However, the Lockwood's produced a lot more output in my room between 50Hz-90Hz than my smaller Tannoys and I found this too overwhelming at my typical listening levels (75dBC average) unless I reduced it with EQ. More generally, I also found the presentation a bit too "big and in your face" for my size of room; my listening seat was a little over 2 metres from the speakers and, with a 15" Tannoy pepperpot DC, I think you need greater distance for a more relaxed presentation. That is of course just my observation.
The other point I'm trying to make is every room is different, even rooms that have seemingly identical dimensions can be excited in very different ways depending on their fabrication and what is above and beneath them. My room has 30cm thick brick walls, suspended wood floor, and lathe & plaster ceiling. There is another room above and another room below. Luckily I have never experienced a room mode anywhere near as high as +25dB peak, so you have my sympathy if that's what you have to deal with. If it's really that bad and you cannot improve it by moving your listening seat then it's probably worth investing in some Helmholtz resonators or using parametric EQ to notch out 37Hz, otherwise you may be stuck with buying speakers with an early LF rolloff.
Thanks for the offer, Paul, I'll to take you up on it, eventually. I've been shielding since last March and have still to receive my second jab so I'm still a bit too fear't to venture out at the moment!...I have to say it was a lucky day for me when you decided the Lockwoods weren't working in your room and it was time to part with them. With lockdown being lifted from Monday you're very welcome to come and hear for yourself how they perform in my room. It would be a real pleasure for me but from your perspective I wonder if it would be bittersweet experience perhaps a bit like seeing a former girlfriend happy in her new relationship.
Wow, Linn are now responsible for Tannoys sounding bad. What next? Brexit responsible for premature cartridge wear?My guess is they’ve either cranked the driver basket and/or compression driver down to something approaching ‘Linn tight’
Thanks for the offer, Paul, I'll to take you up on it, eventually. I've been shielding since last March and have still to receive my second jab so I'm still a bit too fear't to venture out at the moment!...
It’s an expression of quantity, like,Wow, Linn are now responsible for Tannoys sounding bad. What next? Brexit responsible for premature cartridge wear?
Wow, Linn are now responsible for Tannoys sounding bad. What next? Brexit responsible for premature cartridge wear?