There’s existing polling data among Tory voters in England re casting off the other nations should it be beneficial to Brexit.An interesting thought exercise….
With Brexit being a largely England driven project what do you think would happen if the Tories came out campaigning for English independence. Cut away the drag anchors of Scotland, Wales and NI…and liberate Britannia to reconquer the globe.
I can easily see the Tories salivating at the prospect of a forever hegemony. I’m pretty sure they and their right wing pals could convince the “less sophisticated thinkers” to vote for it based on their usual promises and lies.
I reckon they could probably get 50% of the votes and pull it off. What say you?
I'd like to think you're right but I suspect that the Tories will be able to blame Covid for economic woes that may actually be caused by Brexit until the worst is passed. At least 10yrs I reckon.
The sleaze factor is not hitting home with English voters at all and let's face it, there's no viable opposition to make any dent.
The Tories will have to commit ritual suicide to loose power in England at this rate.
getting the country rid of nuclear warheads and energy production.
It’s the mirror image of Trump’s GOP. The Tory Party is now hooked on short term populism but with added money printing. Their charismatic leader is essentially corrupt, incompetent and idle- reliant on photo opportunities, sloganeering and false promises (look at his social care claims as an example). They are letting Johnson’s mouth write cheques they won’t ultimately be able to cash.The way things seem to be going, that’d be hailed as patriotic martyrdom and their ashes enshrined as rulers in perpetuity.
I can't see the Tories wanting to cast off any of the remaining elements of the Empire.
If 'we' get rid of nuclear power stations e.g. Torness and Hunterston what is going to power the baseload on days when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing? Burning lots of gas or, dare I suggest, importing 'dirty' energy from elsewhere.
I am not a fan of nuclear power but as the last few weeks have proven renewables alone don't work.
We need to be looking at 'filling' the Pentland Firth with such as the Orbital Marine turbines or tidal lagoon options. These can provide significant and consistent amounts go energy.
Regards
Richard
Spot on.Looking at the vote shares, it’s arguable that there’s a mandate for a referendum, but there’s no clear mandate for Independence.
In both the constituency vote and regional list, the Pro-independence parties secured around 49% of the vote (Constituency: 47.7 SNP +1.3 Green; Regional: 40.3% SNP + 8.1% Green). That is better than current polling on Scottish independence (48% yes), but it is crucially less than the 50% + 1 vote that would be needed to pass a referendum.
My feeling is that two wrongs don’t make a right. While I think that Scotland can go it alone and succeed long term, I worry that if it were to leave the UK on a razor-thin Brexit-style margin, it would create division in the new nation that would hold it back. That isn’t how it should be done. My own feeling is that no referendum should be called until there is at least 60%, and preferably closer to 70%, of the electorate behind independence.
A mandate for a referendum is not there given the numbers that voted against the nationalists last week. Many people even voted against their core belief to stop the nationalists, according to you.It's not really clear at the moment, especially as there is likely to be some element of pro-independence support amongst the Labour voters as well as from the SNP and Greens. You'd also need to add the Alba vote on the list as well (1.7%).
The mandate for a referendum is 100% there, but whether that would be won or not would depend very much on what happens between now and then and also how the campaigning went. At the moment it does look like it's probably around 50:50 though, which is why it was less of a priority in the election for the SNP than it was for the Tories, who's only campaign item was opposition to independence (and it was a strategy that clearly worked for them). The SNP's best route is to leave it for a couple of years until Covid is no longer masking Brexit, then call the referendum then. There will be plenty more visible corruption from the Tories by then, and still little prospect of Labour getting it's act together to become an opposition party than one that just rubber stamps anything Tory.
In that case you are willing to virtually ruin Scotland for many years. It’s another example of senseless emotion but you’ll be alright.I think it was lunacy to allow Brexit to progress on such a tight margin and in the past I'd have preferred a decent margin in favour of independence before it went ahead, but given the shitshow that is Brexit and the Tories I'd now take any margin of victory. Given Brexit went ahead on such a slim margin then I don't think the UK government can realistically make a case that anything other than a simple majority is needed.
It’s the mirror image of Trump’s GOP. The Tory Party is now hooked on short term populism but with added money printing. Their charismatic leader is essentially corrupt, incompetent and idle- reliant on photo opportunities, sloganeering and false promises ( look at his social care claims as an example). They are letting Johnson’s mouth write cheques they won’t ultimately be able to cash.
Actually those midges you refer to (in association with block chain) supplied 97% of Scottish total electricity consumption last year and accounted for 25% of the UK’s renewable generation so Glasgow looks like a great place to hold the forthcoming UN Global Climate Change conference. It’s certainly going to further raise the profile of Nicola Sturgeon compared with Boris Johnson.You've really got to love that. Scotland and Wales reinvented as downtrodden imperial possessions of the corrupt albion.
Have you not read about the new technology coming on stream that will allow us to encapsulate the power potential of midges, and turn it into sufficient energy to power the entire EU?
Actually those midges you refer to (in association with block chain) supplied 97% of Scottish total electricity consumption last year and accounted for 25% of the UK’s renewable generation so Glasgow looks like a great place to hold the forthcoming UN Global Climate Change conference. It’s certainly going to further raise the profile of Nicola Sturgeon compared with Boris Johnson.
Any referendum needs to be now or not for many years. All this “I’ve wanted independence for years but not at this moment because we need UK help to manage covid” is laughable. You accept that help and the price is no referendum on independence, alternatively, you want to go, you go now. The tories should lay this on the line for the nationalists right now.
If 'we' get rid of nuclear power stations e.g. Torness and Hunterston what is going to power the baseload on days when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing?
If there’s no mandate for a referendum and no desire for independence, why should Johnson’s government be spending so much energy in trying to stop something that wont happen? Could it be that they’ve actually seen the election result and understand the trend in polling data?
Then, what is it that makes the voting pattern in Scotland such a pressing concern of one or two fishies who live in a different country. I mean they’re not going to vote because they cant. It reminds me of Brendan Behan’s famous quote-
“ ....like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves.”
Have you not read about the new technology coming on stream that will allow us to encapsulate the power potential of midges, and turn it into sufficient energy to power the entire EU?
It'll be bought from the foreign-owned nuclear power companies in England and Wales.
I actually think that any vote should be weighted to some extent by an rUK plebiscite. The union does not, after all, belong exclusively to the Scots.
It doesn't necessarily mean that the referendum would be lost. There are, sadly in my view, no shortage of English people who would heartily love to get shot of the moaning Scots and what they see as their nasty, nippy, divisive leader.
Sturgeon is every bit as disliked this side of the border as BJ is on that.