Cav
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Failure to disclose in 30 days was unlawful, that did not invalidate the contracts themselves.
Coronavirus - the new strain XVI
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While I wasn't being entirely serious, as a non-drinker I couldn't give a toss whether the supermarkets sell alcohol or not.
However, on a serious note anyone who works in A&E or the police or the ambulance service etc. will tell you that the usual late night pub/bar scene generates an awful lot of work for them and damages a lot of lives, but drinking is engrained in our culture so I doubt you'll need to worry any time soon!
Crikey, on the rare visits I have made to the largest airiest supermarket I can find I have virtually decontaminated the supermarket trolley before setting off inside and have been doing this since February last year. I would have thought everyone would have been doing that as a matter of course by now.
According to Sky all pupils back to school on March 8th and outdoor socialising to be allowed. Personally I think keeping the schools closed until after Easter and extending the summer term would have been a far better option. Opening them all up fully at the same time seems reckless, but why should I be surprised.
mandryka
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On further investigation, while I’m sure it can do no harm, “It is now clear that SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted predominantly through the air, by people talking and breathing out large droplets and aerosols. In contrast, catching the virus by touching infected surfaces seems to be rare.”
https://www.isglobal.org/en/covid-19-novedades-cientificas
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2/fulltext
mandryka
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Summary paper here on the effect of vaccines on transmission
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z
Absolutely no chance of extending Summer term. Teachers have been working all through, they could do special summer schools but will have difficulty getting staff.
Every supermarket should have had someone spraying/wiping the handles of shopping trolley/baskets. The usual suspect, little New Zealand, worked that out nearly a year ago.
Yep, my local Tesco does and has done since the start of ‘lockdown’ 1.
If it had been me I would have extended the Easter hols by two weeks to start mid March and added the two weeks to the end of summer term. Better weather in summer, hopefully less cases, more people vaccinated, more time over Easter to prepare for school re-opening, blah blah blah... and teachers don’t have to work extra weeks... but that sort of blue sky thinking is beyond Johnson & co.
Big Tabs
looking backwards, going forwards
I keep a pair of gloves in my car that I wear when visiting supermarkets. (I also wipe the trolley handle) - I use a trolley as a crutch, I can’t shop with a shopping basket.
Once shopping is done I take the gloves off and leave them in the car. Leather gloves, so I can and do clean them.
A while ago I used to witness most folk wiping down the trolley handles, I rarely see that now. Also the supermarket staff seem to think a cursory spray vaguely at the trolley handle will suffice as a cleaning procedure.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Agreed. I've lots of experience dealing with this element of social, and ant-social behaviour. In normal times a visit to your local A&E anytime after 8am on a Friday or Saturday evening would confirm this. I have had very interesting conversations with friends/ex-colleagues regarding the lock down effect on domestic abuse cases, as well.
Agreed - Schools have not been shut.
See above. The primary school teachers I've worked with since leaving the police seem all to be very hard working, conscientious people. When I've discussed with them the effects of reduced class numbers, but increases in H&S requirements, plus delivering online sessions, their work load does not seem to have dropped.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Well, we don’t know what he is thinking or are party to discussions in cabinet. The teachers unions have been briefing against such moves publicly & I am sure will have voiced concerns to that effect.
Before the usual suspects jump up & down about teacher bashing, I am not doing that & feel we need to look at a longer term strategy to catch up in terms of education.
Discussions about restructuring the school year have been going on in the background for as long as I can remember.
Also bear in mind last summer infections began to rise due to more mingling & people returning from foreign travel, not sure opening schools early will help? Obviously vaccines should mitigate against that.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Infections will start to rise again when schools reopen, just in time for people to be allowed to mix at Easter - do they never learn?
"Yesterday Prof John Edmunds, an epidemiologist who sits on Sage, the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, told the Andrew Marr Show that, if all pupils went back at once, he would expect R, the reproduction number, to rise to “something close to one, potentially slightly above”. (It is currently between 0.7 and 0.9 in England.) Asked if he thought primary schools should reopen first, he accepted that politicians had wider issues to consider, but went on: “Sticking to the epidemiology, yeah, of course it’s always safer to take smaller steps and evaluate.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...08ad21ea6025e5#block-6033691b8f08ad21ea6025e5
"Yesterday Prof John Edmunds, an epidemiologist who sits on Sage, the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, told the Andrew Marr Show that, if all pupils went back at once, he would expect R, the reproduction number, to rise to “something close to one, potentially slightly above”. (It is currently between 0.7 and 0.9 in England.) Asked if he thought primary schools should reopen first, he accepted that politicians had wider issues to consider, but went on: “Sticking to the epidemiology, yeah, of course it’s always safer to take smaller steps and evaluate.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...08ad21ea6025e5#block-6033691b8f08ad21ea6025e5
Seanm
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The legal transgression does seem pretty trivial. There’s obviously a lot about the way they’ve been subsidising their friends that stinks but I suspect that most of it is business as usual. The corruption angle is IMO politically a non-starter and legally, it now seems, a bit of a washout as well.
The real scandal, I think, lies in the fact that they deliberately chose to let tens of thousands of people die rather than consider a different approach to welfare, sick pay, rent, workers’ rights and business regulation. That makes them mass murderers and the fact that Hancock’s neighbour made a few bob out of it feels like a bit of a distraction.
There’s no one to make the case though so I’m pretty sure they’re going to come out of this almost completely untouched. Labour will be punished, rightly, for their cowardice and their failure to stand up for their constituency.
Seanm
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There is just no way of opening schools without also causing infections to rise. The question is whether it pushes R above 1. No one’s going anywhere, including the pub, during the Easter holidays so that ought to dampen things somewhat rather than amplifying them I’d have thought.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
The government fought hard to prevent this even coming before a court. They first argued that the GLP didn't have legal standing to bring the case. When that didn't fly, they stalled and delayed, and only made the damning admissions as to failure to comply, shortly before the hearing. Why, if it's legally trivial, and of no political consequence, would they have spent >£200k trying to keep all this under wraps?
gavreid
Pretty Words...
They're talikng about letting families mix in groups of 6 again in time for the Easter holidays...
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