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Coronavirus - the new strain XV

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Tony L said:
Imagine if we had an effective political opposition that could hold this corrupt thieving government to account!
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Trouble is a majority of 80 is basically a license to do what the **** they want. How do you stop them? Now if only Jo Swinson...
 
It’s a genuine opportunity for Starmer to actually do something: not just on this issue but about the way we think, as a nation.

We got this particular bit of grift because some people are terrified of poor people getting something for nothing: that’s why the government didn’t just do a bloody cash transfer to people who need it. The upshot is friends of the Tories getting something for nothing: £30 a pop for £5 worth of food. Who’s actually sociopathic enough to applaud that?
 
Seanm said:
It’s a genuine opportunity for Starmer to actually do something: not just on this issue but about the way we think, as a nation.

We got this particular bit of grift because some people are terrified of poor people getting something for nothing: that’s why the government didn’t just do a bloody cash transfer to people who need it. The upshot is friends of the Tories getting something for nothing: £30 a pop for £5 worth of food. Who’s actually sociopathic enough to applaud that?
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He should be calling for the nationalisation of all private health and the immediate transfer of all staff and facilities into the nhs for a start. It really is a scandal that non-urgent treatments are being provide by the private sector using nhsdoctors, while people are dying of cancers and heart disease, never mind covid....
 
Vaccination centres stick don’t understand about aerosols and ventilation. No reason they should, given that it’s the government’s role to communicate risks and best practice and they haven’t done this.

This guy’s one of very few journalists pushing on this.

https://twitter.com/hugogye/status/1348979610877370370?s=21

If you’re going for the vax get the maximum protection kind of mask and don’t show up early. Some of these centres are going to be super spreaders.
 
Seanm said:
Vaccination centres stick don’t understand about aerosols and ventilation. No reason they should, given that it’s the government’s role to communicate risks and best practice and they haven’t done this.

This guy’s one of very few journalists pushing on this.

https://twitter.com/hugogye/status/1348979610877370370?s=21

If you’re going for the vax get the maximum protection kind of mask and don’t show up early. Some of these centres are going to be super spreaders.
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Apparently you can decline and wait for a GP's appointment but...
 
Interesting visualisation of covid rates. Ouch Merseyside!
From: https://twitter.com/carlbaker/status/1348933992100188162
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Seanm said:
Personally I think the discourse around masks is tantamount to a moral panic, but that's a notoriously misleading interpretation of the Danish study. See here for a response (a restrained one: the author doesn't dismiss Heneghan as a crank, which many have):

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/2...-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/
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There is a more recent report from the WHO that admits there is only limited or inconsistent evidence to support the effectiveness of masks but did support it.
 
It’s a bit like an apple a day keeps the doctor away. An apple can’t do much harm as far as I know, not sure whether the same is true about face-rag wearing. But the sociological side of it, the way it has become a fetish, would make a good doctorate.
 
mandryka said:
It’s a bit like an apple a day keeps the doctor away. An apple can’t do much harm as far as I know, not sure whether the same is true about face-rag wearing. But the sociological side of it, the way it has become a fetish, would make a good doctorate.
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If wearing a mask protects the wearer, a bit, and people around them, a bit, then it is worth doing for two reasons:

1). it protects, a bit, and lot of bits have a cumulative effect;
2). it shows that the wearer is a bit community-minded and prepared to make a small personal effort for the greater good.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
If wearing a mask protects the wearer, a bit, and people around them, a bit, then it is worth doing for two reasons:

1). it protects, a bit, and lot of bits have a cumulative effect;
2). it shows that the wearer is a bit community-minded and prepared to make a small personal effort for the greater good.
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Yes, unless there are downsides.
 
That they get dirty with reuse and may accumulate nasties - people touch them and then touch surfaces, their faces etc; that they lull people into a false sense of security so they get closer to each other. And that the fetishisation is distracting people’s attention from more important COVID related issues - ventilation, supporting people to isolate etc.

There’s a headline today about how the government may be thinking of introducing a 3m distancing rule. I bet it’s not a coincidence that the supermarkets are all loudly proclaiming their new mask wearing policy.
 
Marquis Of Bute flow up here after latest lockdown with 12 passengers in his small aircraft that was in the Hearld. Today a friend who delivers firewood to Mount Stuart text me he has to go for a C19 test. Turns out the Marquis went down to London last week and has brought the virus onto the island. My friends wife has underlying health issues as you can imagine he is now worried.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
The only downside I'm aware of is that they quickly became a new form of litter. Do you have anything else in mind?
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As Mandryka suggests, fetishisation: distraction from more important measures; transfer of responsibility for such measures from the powerful to the powerless; the amplification of authoritarian instincts and their direction towards disabled people. These are quite considerable downsides, IMO, but as with everything else the trade-off could be mitigated by a responsible government. Instead masks have come to embody the myth of non-compliance. They've been weaponised against the public by an irresponsible, malevolent government, causing misery and death.

Still wear mine though, and would like others to!

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If you recall, the original discussion around masks related to their quality. You would see N95 being mentioned.

Now it seems like any mask will do, perhaps an old sock you had left in a drawer. Is this pragmatism in play or a drop in standards?
 
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