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Brexit: give me a positive effect... VI

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TheDecameron said:
You also project a lot- in this case your inability to comprehend. You do that to quite a few people. Your ‘Eh?’ and “What are you banging on about now?” posts are at least a bit more honest.
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There is nothing lacking in my comprehension, or honesty for that matter. You aren’t the best judge of either, Hugh.
 
Ah that old chesnut. When you’ve backed yourself into one of your not infrequent corners, the “you’re lying about me” card comes out. There’s a list of such posts the length of your arm.
 
A Brexit positive—for the tobacco industry and the Conservative MPs who take money from it.

Snus, the disgusting cancer-causing tobacco product is now freely on sale in the UK (and advertised on PFM).

Banned in the UK and EU (except Sweden) I saw it on advertised busses going the Hospital this morning. In Sweden, the companies sell it in 'cute' little pods designed to attract kids and get them hooked. I see they're using the same tactic here.

Tory MP's didn't waste much time in allowing a new harmful drug onto the market.

Not surprising considering how many Tories (including Hancock) are in hock to the tobacco industry.

Remember, kids see this stuff—that's why cigarette adverts were banned. But the tobacco industry has powerful friends.

Stephen
 
i.j.russell said:
The Department for International Trade are currently highlighting a great win: The UK - Japan Trade Deal means that SOY sauce can be imported with zero tariffs rather than the 6% under WTO. Small problem though, we currently get 0% tariff via the EU - Japan Trade Deal. Another problem is that most SOY sauce imported into the UK comes from the EU which means they will have 6% tariffs applied if we leave under No Deal.
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They lied throughout the referendum campaign, why are we surprised they continue to lie?

Stephen
 
stephen bennett said:
A Brexit positive—for the tobacco industry and the Conservative MPs who take money from it.

Snus, the disgusting cancer-causing tobacco product is now freely on sale in the UK (and advertised on PFM).

Banned in the UK and EU (except Sweden) I saw it on advertised busses going the Hospital this morning. In Sweden, the companies sell it in 'cute' little pods designed to attract kids and get them hooked. I see they're using the same tactic here.

Tory MP's didn't waste much time in allowing a new harmful drug onto the market.

Not surprising considering how many Tories (including Hancock) are in hock to the tobacco industry.

Remember, kids see this stuff—that's why cigarette adverts were banned. But the tobacco industry has powerful friends.

Stephen
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As seen in The Bridge (not that that makes it a good thing).
 
TheDecameron said:
There’s a really simple metric in Scottish voting- Brexit is inversely proportional to Independence. You might say Brexit means independence.That vote is going to harden between January and the May election once we get the full unfiltered whiff of Brexit. Nobody likes mass unemployment, food and medicine shortages- especially when they’re politically created and against your will.
As to what kind of independent nation the Scottish Government is planning for- they’ve already spelled it out. A member of the EU again with a requirement for substantial immigration. It’s been quantified - 335,000 to start with. As a nation we are far closer to European values than anything Johnson’s party has to force in us.
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Nurse.
 
TheDecameron said:
As to what kind of independent nation the Scottish Government is planning for- they’ve already spelled it out. A member of the EU again with a requirement for substantial immigration. It’s been quantified - 335,000 to start with. As a nation we are far closer to European values than anything Johnson’s party has to force in us.
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As with Merkel when she announced that 'wir schaffen das' five years ago, the SNP is good at playing their Nicky nice guy card, whilst actually fulfilling a strongly pragmatic requirement. Within about 10 years some 60% of Scots - under the currently tenuous hope that they haven't already been wiped out by Scot NHS spreading covid through their nursing homes - will be looking forward to a telegram from Saint Nichola of Holyrood. That is to say, getting on a bit. Like Germany then, the country desperately needs immigration.

However, it's stretching credibility somewhat to state that this pragmatism constitutes 'European values'. The EU is happy to confine would be immigrants to virtual concentration camps in Libya, Turkey and Lesbos, and the member countries are at odds as to know what to do with them, as their populaces aren't at all keen. The German experiment has thus far been a - far from unqualified - success, but research suggests that only about 11% of Germans remain pro-further immigration. Many other EU members are openly and deeply hostile, including some of the hitherto most open. The fences are up. The EU is a 'hostile environment'.

The UK, by contrast, traditionally one of Europe's most open societies, has become very much more relaxed about immigration since peak hostility in 2016, when 40% of people cited immigration as being a or the major issue in brexit. The figure is now 14%, which would suggest that the hostility wasn't to immigration per se, but over which organisation decreed its parameters, the elected government of the UK, or the appointed technocrats of Brussels.
 
eternumviti said:
The UK, by contrast, traditionally one of Europe's most open societies, has become very much more relaxed about immigration since peak hostility in 2016, when 40% of people cited immigration as being a or the major issue in brexit. The figure is now 14%, which would suggest that the hostility wasn't to immigration per se, but over which organisation decreed its parameters, the elected government of the UK, or the appointed technocrats of Brussels.
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You wish. Some clowns have told people that immigration is now not happening except in occasional landings in Kent and everyone is too busy with COVID to check or even worry about such problems. Plus most of the noise and some of the mis-information that was previously peddled on an industrial scale about UK immigration and EU matters in general has ceased. Nice try at laying the blame elsewhere though.
 
eternumviti said:
As with Merkel when she announced that 'wir schaffen das' Five years ago, the SNP is good at playing their Nicky nice guy card, whilst actually fulfilling a strongly pragmatic requirement. Within about 10 years some 60% of Scots - under the currently tenuous hope that they haven't already been wiped out by Scot NHS spreading covid through their nursing homes - will be looking forward to a telegram from Saint Nichola of Holyrood. That is to say, getting on a bit. Like Germany then, the country desperately needs immigration.

However, it's stretching credibility somewhat to state that this pragmatism constitutes 'European values'. The EU is happy to confine would be immigrants to virtual concentration camps in Libya, Turkey and Lesbos, and the member countries are at odds as to know what to do with them, as their populaces aren't at all keen. The German experiment has thus far been a - far from unqualified - success, but research suggests that only about 11% of Germans remain pro-further immigration. Many other EU members are openly and deeply hostile, including some of the hitherto most open. The fences are up. The EU is a 'hostile environment'.

The UK, by contrast, traditionally one of Europe's most open societies, has become very much more relaxed about immigration since peak hostility in 2016, when 40% of people cited immigration as being a or the major issue in brexit. The figure is now 14%, which would suggest that the hostility wasn't to immigration per se, but over which organisation decreed its parameters, the elected government of the UK, or the appointed technocrats of Brussels.
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You mean fewer are piping up because they think Gove and Johnson have already “taken back control of our borders”? That they don’t see any reduction in immigration remotely approaching the Conservatives’ pledge to reduce it from the hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands?
The fury over a few slaver monuments being daubed and Farage inciting violence against the pitiful handful making it across the Channel alive, tell a very different story. The “immigration” issue has never gone away, it sits there waiting to be reignited once Covid and the impending Brexit chaos in January have passed. Brexit is a blood and soil project.
 
Which particular noise and misinformation was that?

Almost every tortured breath of your post suggests the desperate ramblings of personal prejudice rather than even a glancing loyalty to the facts, let alone the truths.

You do it with a highly conditioned air of superiority too, as though only someone utterly devoted to the dogma of remain has, from his lofty and elevated pulpit, any hope of understanding the great and eternal truths.

You made it up as you went along.
 
TheDecameron said:
You mean fewer are piping up because they think Gove and Johnson have already “taken back control of our borders”? That they don’t see any reduction in immigration remotely approaching the Conservatives’ pledge to reduce it from the hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands?
The fury over a few slaver monuments being daubed and Farage inciting violence against the pitiful handful making it across the Channel alive, tell a very different story. The “immigration” issue has never gone away, it sits there waiting to be reignited once Covid and the impending Brexit chaos in January have passed. Brexit is a blood and soil project.
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Is that right?

I would suggest that prejudice may well be distorting your vision.
 
eternumviti said:
The UK, by contrast, traditionally one of Europe's most open societies, has become very much more relaxed about immigration since peak hostility in 2016, when 40% of people cited immigration as being a or the major issue in brexit. The figure is now 14%, which would suggest that the hostility wasn't to immigration per se, but over which organisation decreed its parameters, the elected government of the UK, or the appointed technocrats of Brussels.
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That's just untrue. The hostility to immigration is unchanged.
 
The fundamental energy that drove Brexit hasn’t gone away, it’s just mutated temporarily. Johnson’s Tory Party is about four years behind the political cycle in the US though Johnson might be facing earlier termination if his partner Trump doesn’t get back in.
 
eternumviti said:
Which particular noise and misinformation was that?

Almost every tortured breath of your post suggests the desperate ramblings of personal prejudice rather than even a glancing loyalty to the facts, let alone the truths.

You do it with a highly conditioned air of superiority too, as though only someone utterly devoted to the dogma of remain has, from his lofty and elevated pulpit, any hope of understanding the great and eternal truths.

You made it up as you went along.
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Unlike the grubby nationalism dressed as something more high minded, of course.

Misinformation? Start with the the oft repeated falsehoods about migration. Which countries take most, whether those trying to get to the UK are the majority or a small minority of those who settle in Europe and so on. Dogma is something you are hardly in a position to complain about. Meanwhile someone supporting Brexit and talking of truth when they have Johnson, Cummings and Farage on board - yeah right.
 
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