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Coronavirus - the new strain XII

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Sorry but not sure I wholly agree with this. 2 factors - the Lib Dem’s were involved a short while ago, and Labour didn’t exactly consider things too well when they were in power. But I do appreciate the Labour bias on here, so I’ll get shot down(and I’ve said before what my political leaning is).
Well, I often get called a Tory so good to get it from both sides. The main move to a service sector economy happened under Thatcher, that was my point & I could have been clearer.
 
The devil is in the detail, but I would once again stress the use of the phrase “lockdown” is misleading and wholly inappropriate IMV.

This is the problem. The measures are sufficient to impede or even bankrupt countless small businesses and to give government gobshites a thin public smokescreen that they are ‘doing something’, but it will make little if any difference to virus transmission and spread. It is entirely presentation over substance. It is what I have come to expect from a government that pisses through countless billions of tax revenue to deliver no results beyond unearned wealth for its donors.
 
Sorry but not sure I wholly agree with this. 2 factors - the Lib Dem’s were involved a short while ago, and Labour didn’t exactly consider things too well when they were in power. But I do appreciate the Labour bias on here, so I’ll get shot down(and I’ve said before what my political leaning is).
Not by me. It's increasingly obvious that Blair missed a historic opportunity to use New Labour's thumping majority to restore social democracy to the UK. I used to think this was because he couldn't; these days I think it's because he never really wanted to. Twenty years later, here we are...
 
Well, I often get called a Tory so good to get it from both sides.

Not surprising on here, tbf. fWIW you and I are more alike than not on most things, IMV.

Not by me. It's increasingly obvious that Blair missed a historic opportunity to use New Labour's thumping majority to restore social democracy to the UK. I used to think this was because he couldn't; these days I think it's because he never really wanted to. Twenty years later, here we are...

Yes, I think I agree with this. It’s a lot more complicated that your comment suggests, of course...
 
Yes, I think I agree with this. It’s a lot more complicated that your comment suggests, of course...

Not sure. The rot set in when Frank Field was fired. I never thought I'd be so let down by a Blair government. Ah well.
 
This is one of the most pernicious myths about the current crisis.

It's not ether/or. Countries with lower death rates per million population tend to have better economic outcomes (as measured by GDP growth forecasts):

https://99-percent.org/how-did-we-get-into-this-mess/

The first figure is relevant: the UK is down in the bottom right corner, along with Spain and Italy.

We do know how to control the virus without crashing the economy but this government either can't or won't do it.
Very interesting article, shame they had to refer to brexit at the top otherwise I would link to it on facebook.

I suspect the govt can’t and won’t do what is necessary. They are ideologically crippled and are the worst possible group of people we could have running the country at this time.
 
^ what is missing from those photos are the beautiful Russian girls who are undoubtedly the main attraction for Trump and BoJo. Christine Keller would have some competition these days.
 
Not by me. It's increasingly obvious that Blair missed a historic opportunity to use New Labour's thumping majority to restore social democracy to the UK. I used to think this was because he couldn't; these days I think it's because he never really wanted to. Twenty years later, here we are...

Remember the treatment of the octogenarian who was bundled out of the Labour Conference for heckling Straw over Iraq back in 2005? New Labour wasn't socialist, more like christian fundamentalists still fighting the crusades. They'd made deals with the City and with Murdoch, they'd no intention of delivering social democracy, in fact they thought the 'working class' were all chavs...
 
Remember the treatment of the octogenarian who was bundled out of the Labour Conference for heckling Straw over Iraq back in 2005? New Labour wasn't socialist, more like christian fundamentalists still fighting the crusades. They'd made deals with the City and with Murdoch, they'd no intention of delivering social democracy, in fact they thought the 'working class' were all chavs...

Precisely why I resigned from the party in 2004, have recently rejoined, but beginning to wonder why.
 
Reading the last few pages and I think we are slipping back into binary thinking arguing over the cause of the rise in infections. Gav has the right answer, it's a bit of everything. As posted earlier this link show bars being open do increase the infection rate:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/more-evidence-points-bars-adding-covid-19-spread

We know schools do and universities and working in factories close to each other and public transport (look at how many London bus drivers have died) and so on....

So we really have no option other than a similar lockdown to last time to drive cases down such that test and trace can work.... but of course that's no good either as it needs redoing properly.... I think we're somewhat ****ed basically!
 
Has there been any solid advice on how to get the region out of tier 3 back to 2? I've heard zero mention of it, even when the R rate comes down.
 
191 deaths reported today, 26 668 positives and 870 hospitalisation in England (This is now running three days behind rather than two.)
 
This is not really news to many of us though is it? It's just The Guardian joining in with ramping up the fear factor as it means more people will read their output. No better than the DM in that regard frankly!

How is and expert telling the truth about vaccines 'ramping up the fear factor'?

And yes, it news to many. I suspect the DM et. al. are not reporting this kind of stuff—unless you can put me right on that?

I see this on here and elsewhere—the idea that a vaccine will solve all our Covid problems.

We need to assume there will be no effective vaccine (for years at least) and plan for that outcome.

Proper joined-up test, trace and isolate. Rapid testing. Community antibody spread testing. Full economic and job security support for those in quarantine.

I see no other way out of this. I didn't in March and nothing has changed my mind since.

Stephen
 
How is and expert telling the truth about vaccines 'ramping up the fear factor'?

And yes, it news to many. I suspect the DM et. al. are not reporting this kind of stuff—unless you can put me right on that?

I see this on here and elsewhere—the idea that a vaccine will solve all our Covid problems.

We need to assume there will be no effective vaccine (for years at least) and plan for that outcome.

Proper joined-up test, trace and isolate. Rapid testing. Community antibody spread testing. Full economic and job security support for those in quarantine.

I see no other way out of this. I didn't in March and nothing has changed my mind since.

Stephen

Look you may have a soft spot for the Guardian and yes it is better than most, but they all do the same thing to one degree or another. They ran a piece very similar 3/4 weeks ago, it's really not news to anyone that keeps themselves abreast of the situation and anyway the article contains a lot of negative hypotheticals. At the end of the day a vaccine will help massively and while I am the first to say we won't ever eradicate the virus we will be better able to live with it after the provision of a reliable vaccine. Yes, planning for not having one is sensible, but planning for having one is important too.
 
Reading the last few pages and I think we are slipping back into binary thinking arguing over the cause of the rise in infections. Gav has the right answer, it's a bit of everything. As posted earlier this link show bars being open do increase the infection rate:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/more-evidence-points-bars-adding-covid-19-spread

We know schools do and universities and working in factories close to each other and public transport (look at how many London bus drivers have died) and so on....

So we really have no option other than a similar lockdown to last time to drive cases down such that test and trace can work.... but of course that's no good either as it needs redoing properly.... I think we're somewhat ****ed basically!

It is everything - the most important thing is to cut down the number of daily contacts to as few as possible and not to do anything that is just frivolous or easily avoided with a bit of forethought and planning.
 
^ what is missing from those photos are the beautiful Russian girls who are undoubtedly the main attraction for Trump and BoJo. Christine Keller would have some competition these days.
Worrabout Christine Keeler?
 
This is one of the most pernicious myths about the current crisis.

It's not ether/or. Countries with lower death rates per million population tend to have better economic outcomes (as measured by GDP growth forecasts):

https://99-percent.org/how-did-we-get-into-this-mess/

The first figure is relevant: the UK is down in the bottom right corner, along with Spain and Italy.

We do know how to control the virus without crashing the economy but this government either can't or won't do it.

Very interesting article.

tl;dr we got into this mess because Tory.
 
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