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Oversteer in a FWD car on dry pavement should be a very rare event (I hope).
Lift off FWD oversteer not uncommon.
Oversteer in a FWD car on dry pavement should be a very rare event (I hope).
I'd look at (putting new tyres on the back) in terms of reducing the possibility of catastrophic oversteer, not in terms of increasing understeer.
I'd say it means more grip when it counts which is when it's wet. Oversteer in a FWD car on dry pavement should be a very rare event (I hope).
Lift off FWD oversteer not uncommon.
I must favour the right pedal much more than the middle. I'm more like 3 pairs rear to one pair for the front.On the last few large RWD cars I've owned, yes, typically about 1.5 pairs of rears to 1 front.
That’ll be due to all those yeehaa burnouts you do in town every Saturday night cruiseI must favour the right pedal much more than the middle. I'm more like 3 pairs rear to one pair for the front.
Yes it is. It is extremely uncommon.
Youtoobers and telly shows are very deliberately provoking it, and if you got caught by the rozzers doing that on a public road in the U.K. you’d not have any explaining to do. You’d just wait for your court date, and don’t drive yourself to court as you’d be relying on someone else to get you home again.
Don’t let your tread go too low, don’t drive like an idiot, leave the electronics on.
If you want to learn or show off oversteery driving, get on a track.
I never drove a 205GTi, but I heard the stories and I know it was notorious for this.Obviously you never drove a 205gti.
Unintentional lift off oversteer on the road not uncommon - in addition to motorway aquaplaning, we have tightening radius bends to catch out the unwary; we have incidents (kids, animals, trees falling etc mid bend) that can all cause a lift-off-tail-out moment where the physics can override all tread, esp, skills, awareness etc. Tis the very nature of many accidents.
Without data, I'd hazard a guess that were one able to analyse RTA and insurance stats, there would be plenty more accidents with causes attributed to above 'unintential unprovoked' than Barry boys 'provoked' Saturday night specials.
Obviously you never drove a 205gti.
Unintentional lift off oversteer on the road not uncommon - in addition to motorway aquaplaning, we have tightening radius bends to catch out the unwary; we have incidents (kids, animals, trees falling etc mid bend) that can all cause a lift-off-tail-out moment where the physics can override all tread, esp, skills, awareness etc. Tis the very nature of many accidents.
Without data, I'd hazard a guess that were one able to analyse RTA and insurance stats, there would be plenty more accidents with causes attributed to above 'unintential unprovoked' than Barry boys 'provoked' Saturday night specials.
I never drove a 205GTi, but I heard the stories and I know it was notorious for this.
But that was then and this is now, and very few current models bite in the way the 205GTi did, and ASR tends to intervene to prevent it in a fair few scenarios, too. So yer actual risk of the tail wagging the dog, for yer common or garden hatchback, SUV or whatever, is pretty modest.
Pretty reckless, overtaking on a left hand curve. The 'camera' car wasn't dawdling (I'd estimate maybe 50-ish?) and the overtaking car, the Fiesta ST, was clearly doing >20mph more than the camera car so probably exceeding the national speed limit by some margin.Such as:
Hardly extreme speed and recklessness, but driver error....could also be the unwary, the inexperienced, child or deer runs out, the unlucky and so on. But modern FWD cars can bite.
It really does depend on your budget. I’d never put anything less than tyres from the big companies on any car. If you’re after long life, comfort, low noise, and of course decent grip/traction, Chinese ditchfinders probably aren’t going to satisfy.
There’ll always be people praising the virtues of Teflon No-Grips, especially when they’re new, but it’s amazing how easily these companies fool people just by making the carcass thicker (heavier) and tread deeper.
If you buy, say, four new Continentals now, drive normally and avoid punctures, you’d probably see at least six years out of them at your annual mileage. And you’d probably be happier in the meantime.
And particularly if you drive all year in moist weather conditionsThis.
Michelin cross climates are a good idea if you drive all year in most weather conditions.
Majority of cars on the road are FWD. Ergo majority of accidents are also FWD. You are a thinking man - so do you think that lift off oversteer thereby overcoming the laws of physics, tread depth, electronic systems, etc - would be an insignificant factor within any of those stats? (along with meeting the unexpected, driver error, and all the other factors etc) -
unprovoked slide through lift off. Of course it driver error, but its also snap over steer. I'd say it happens quite often out there, even on ESP equipped cars with their best tyres on rear.
Such as:
Hardly extreme speed and recklessness, but driver error....could also be the unwary, the inexperienced, child or deer runs out, the unlucky and so on. But modern FWD cars can bite.
Yep. I am highly amused by the number of folk on here who seem to think that they 'need' 'super tyres' to save them from their own lunatic driving.
To be fair Mull, I think the point being made is that tyres make a BIG difference to how any vehicle feels and behaves on the road. As a hard up 20 something I would fit anything I could afford including remolds on one occasion. As I started to appreciate how much difference tyres made, I began using the best I could afford even if it stretched the budget a bit. This applies to all vehicles and over the years I have experienced the difference tyres make on bikes, motorbikes, cars and vans.Yep. I am highly amused by the number of folk on here who seem to think that they 'need' 'super tyres' to save them from their own lunatic driving.
On the subject of loss of control, this accident scene is a bit of a surprise to me. Shortly after noon, in a densely built up urban area, 40mph and adjoining 30mph stretch, traffic lights, pedestrian refuge? visible, pedestrian reported involved and what appears to be the conversion of a hell of a lot of kinetic energy causing death. Given the environmental constraints just described, how the hell do you achieve this?Liftoff oversteer happens on AWD cars too, but I agree you really need to be pushing it hard to make that happen, like entering into a tightening bend way too fast.