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FAO the pro-measurement crowd: ASR to start measuring speaker performance

ASR has become and will continue to be a hugely valuable resource, equipment that is tested is purchased outright by the membership, or voluntarily loaned by the membership, the only ‘financial arrangement was with Klippel the manufacturer of the measurement equipment.
It is as far as I am aware ASR is completely independent.
Keith
 
Hatred looks a bit strong. Those with a strong audiophile faith are obviously going to dislike anything plausible that challenges their beliefs and so a degree of active opposition is to be expected. Particularly as opposition seems to be a part of binding/maintaining the faith.

What is perhaps less widely appreciated is that Amir has little scientific understanding, little interest in it and a low tolerance for those with this knowledge that express it an abrasive manner which is not uncommon. This has slowed the growth of good stuff on his site despite the large and sustained effort he has clearly been making. Nonetheless the site does seem to have improved a bit compared to a year or two back when I gave up on it.

The link in the OP clearly states that his speaker measurement hardware involved a "financial arrangement" which is only to expected these days. If he can avoid all the emotive language of audiophile reviews and stick to purely factual statements then it won't really matter how the equipment is obtained for measurement. Whether he is interested/capable remains to be seen but the more sites start to produce useful speaker measurements the more pressure will be put on (the better) speaker manufacturers to publish useful specifications for their products in the manner of companies like Neumann. More power to his elbow.

Citations needed.
 
I don't get the histerical hatred toward ASR that I see sometimes on this forum.

Amir has excellent equipment, does industry standard measurements, has technical expertise to do it well and he isn't paid by equipment manufacturers.

There is a seemingly perverse expectation that expensive audiophile approved equipment SHOULD measure badly. Owners appear proud that their equipment produces a lot of distortion - the more cred a megabuck component has the more distortion it should produce! That's crazy.

I expect my equipment to sound good and measure well. So a resource like ASR, which can alert you to how well an equipment designer actually knows electronic engineering is a very worthy addition.

Surely, equipment's sound is not fully defined by simple measurements. However, low noise, low harmonic and intermodulation distortion and high dynamic range are required for high fidelity sound reproduction. ASR can often provide a standard set of measurements that many manufacturers do not publish. One can decide that subjective performance outweigh technical flaws, but at least one has the information.
There are people who enjoy looking at audio measurements I get that. For me it's a case of going to a dealerships and auditioning letting your ears decide maybe I'm old fashioned.
 
Your claims in the second paragraph. Keith has already corrected your error regarding the financial arrangement"
 
There are people who enjoy looking at audio measurements I get that. For me it's a case of going to a dealerships and auditioning letting your ears decide maybe I'm old fashioned.

Measurements are an invaluable tool but they're worthless to those who don't know how to interpret them.

The solution is to educate oneself on the subject:

Stereophile: Measuring Loudspeakers
part 1 - https://www.stereophile.com/features/99/index.html
part 2 - https://www.stereophile.com/features/100/index.html
part 3 - https://www.stereophile.com/features/103/index.html

Soundstage: How We Test Loudspeakers...
http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/measurements/test_loudspeakers.htm

Hi-Fi World: Tests

https://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/loudspeakers/69-tests.html

If that's too boring try this video:

 
Measurements are an invaluable tool but they're worthless to those who don't know how to interpret them.

The solution is to educate oneself on the subject:

Absolutely. And making measured results more widely available, as ASR is working to do, is an excellent way to promote that kind of understanding.
 


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