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Election night 2019 / aftermath
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tuga
Legal Alien
I can't vote in a GE but whilst I did find a lot to like in the LP manifesto (compared to Portugal, those socialist policies are way more to the right than what would have been defended by the Portuguese Communist Party) I must confess that I'm not fond of Corbyn as a person, of his stance in a few subject matters and of his Bregshit policy. To this day I am still unsure about his real intent with regards to a future relation, though it appears that his position shifted in the ensuing years after A50 was triggered...
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
You don't have to 'loathe' anyone to think they are not an electoral asset.
He was a campaigner and activist who ended up leader by a curious set of circumstances. Idealistically consensual with few leadership skills and not much ability to inspire people who wouldn't already be onside. He presents better than he did, but still not good. In a media age I thought he would struggle. It's no good thinking these things don't matter, they matter a lot and a leader that has the skills and is media savvy is pretty much a baseline requirement.
If they have an engaging style that's a bonus.
waxkinglyrical
pfm Member
That’s a terrible thing to say, more of a Sex Morlock...
That's quite a leap... anyway I was referring more to the core of the idea than any method of its application. And I'll say again .. until someone listens... that the good points of the manifesto were quickly buried by the media so they could attack those they selected for ripping apart.
PS You are aware the state has access to all our Internet activity under so called terrorism legislation aren't you?
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
I would not be surprised if he adopts Trump-style rallies now, rebranded Get it Done rallies.
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
Of the people I persuaded to (reluctantly) vote Labour, Corbyn was what made them hesitant. One person who would normally vote Labour, but was ready to not vote at all this time around, saw Corbyn as the problem. A lesser issue was the swathe of policy announcements/spending commitments, which they saw as profligate and (in some cases) unachievable.
cooky1257
pfm Member
Wouldn't surprise me.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
John Crace nails some of the denial.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eatest-hits-but-voters-were-no-longer-gripped
"Shortly before 2.30am, Jeremy Corbyn arrived, smiling and waving to his supporters, at his Islington count. No one appeared to have told him that Labour was suffering its worst result at a general election since 1935 and was predicted to win fewer than 200 seats.
An hour later, once the declaration had been made, the severity of the defeat still hadn’t sunk in as the Labour leader began his acceptance speech. It was a disappointing night, he said. A setback, nothing more. If his manifesto had had a flaw, it was that it had been too good for the country. It had been the country’s fault that Labour had not won the election. The people had allowed themselves to be manipulated by the mainstream media into being distracted by Brexit.
However, even though he took no responsibility for Labour’s defeat, Corbyn did concede that he wouldn’t lead the party into another glorious general election. He would stand down, but in his own time. Only after he had been able to engineer a suitable replacement who would build on his magnificent legacy and lead Labour to an even more crushing humiliation. The few Labour party supporters around the country who weren’t already paralytically drunk, each downed an entire bottle of scotch."
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eatest-hits-but-voters-were-no-longer-gripped
"Shortly before 2.30am, Jeremy Corbyn arrived, smiling and waving to his supporters, at his Islington count. No one appeared to have told him that Labour was suffering its worst result at a general election since 1935 and was predicted to win fewer than 200 seats.
An hour later, once the declaration had been made, the severity of the defeat still hadn’t sunk in as the Labour leader began his acceptance speech. It was a disappointing night, he said. A setback, nothing more. If his manifesto had had a flaw, it was that it had been too good for the country. It had been the country’s fault that Labour had not won the election. The people had allowed themselves to be manipulated by the mainstream media into being distracted by Brexit.
However, even though he took no responsibility for Labour’s defeat, Corbyn did concede that he wouldn’t lead the party into another glorious general election. He would stand down, but in his own time. Only after he had been able to engineer a suitable replacement who would build on his magnificent legacy and lead Labour to an even more crushing humiliation. The few Labour party supporters around the country who weren’t already paralytically drunk, each downed an entire bottle of scotch."
glancaster
In the silicon vale
Yes, there was no focus on priorities. And if everything is important, then nothing is important.
The Tories had key messages on Brexit and the NHS, and kept hammering them home. Seemed like every time Johnson appeared, he had a Brexit slogan to wear or spout, or was in a hospital. Workmanlike, but effective.
This article provides some intriguing insights into the Tory campaign: https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-uk-electio-2019-strategy-conservative-victory/
Kind regards
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TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Having said that, Johnson is hopeless. His minders kept him away from interviewers who would expose him with relative ease and instead stuck with slogans, photo ops kissing dead fish, wrangling bulls at livestock markets and driving JCBs through polystyrene walls. Boris the clown, Boris the Churchill tribute act, Boris man of the people.
It's the fact that this sort of carry on appeals to the voters that worries me... are we really becoming more stupid as a nation?
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
As someone observing this from the other side of the Atlantic ... the thing I don’t understand is that if Corbyn’s lack of charisma and leadership skills were his downfall, why wasn’t Johnson’s lack of everything you’d ever want in a leader not?
FFS, look at the buffoon. Stupid-haired, racist, ego-centric, fridge-hidin’, jive-assed jive turkey.
Joe
FFS, look at the buffoon. Stupid-haired, racist, ego-centric, fridge-hidin’, jive-assed jive turkey.
Joe
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People have lost trust in Labour and it takes a long time to build that up, so yes charisma, but also unswerving dedication to a very difficult task.
Stunsworth
pfm Member
He’s TV friendly, he uses big words and “he’s ‘aving a laugh’”.
Tony L
Administrator
The method was clearly defined (fibre) and used by non-IT literate MPs as a selling point!
I am of course aware of your PS, though far prefer the current system where many types of data needs to be formally requested from independent ISPs who in many cases are selling services with privacy being a feature rather than the technology existing within the state where any covert government Stasi-like entity could covertly monitor 24/7. To put it another way I would far prefer to pay good money for my home internet, my mobile phone, pfm’s server (which isn’t even in the UK) etc than have everything entirely dependent on a typically IT-illiterate UK government. When someone says ‘state internet’ I always think of North Korea, China, Iran etc and all their illiberal police-state behaviour.
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