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vuk said:
why did you post that?

how about the drunk pelosi video?
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I posted it because it is relevant to Gabbard's presidential candidacy, and because I was astonished to read that Gabbard described this scumbag as "great". Also, what does a fake video of Pelosi have to do with anything?
 
vuk said:
why did you post that?

how about the drunk pelosi video?
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This appears to be a way of implying the allegations against Niko House are as fake as the Pelosi drunk video--while carefully avoiding actually saying such a thing. Interesting tactics.
 
As long as Donald Trump wins again, it doesn’t matter which Democrat we trash.

Joe
 
Hook said:
I posted it because it is relevant to Gabbard's presidential candidacy, and because I was astonished to read that Gabbard described this scumbag as "great". Also, what does a fake video of Pelosi have to do with anything?
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both things are massive distortions of reality and essentially gossip (which is what the modern huffington post is mainly about). if you are concerned with the influence of money on politics, tulsi gabbard is actually someone you shou,ld be pointing to as a role model.
 
vuk said:
both things are massive distortions of reality and essentially gossip (which is what the modern huffington post is mainly about). if you are concerned with the influence of money on politics, tulsi gabbard is actually someone you shou,ld be pointing to as a role model.
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I disagree. The Pelosi tape was fake. This, the largest source of Gabbard’s fundraising, is quite real.

I give Gabbard credit for refusing to accept the endorsement of the KKK’s David Duke. So why does she embrace someone as poisonous as House?
 
Hook said:
I disagree. The Pelosi tape was fake. This, the largest source of Gabbard’s fundraising, is quite real.
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now you are using the ambiguity of language to avoid confronting what i said honestly. the pelosi tape is not entirely fake. it is an actual recording, slowed down to 75% that allows the novice to hear the slurring of her speech (which is almost certainly due to botox and not drinking). in the overall context of her as politician, it's a nasty smear and has nothing to do with her actions or judgment (in that arena).

similarly, with gabbard, to highlight this fund-raising triviality presents a distorted picture that is totally at odds with her political positions, but even with the general approach she has taken with contributions -- UNLIKE someone like joe biden. if you want to insists on the word fake, go ahead.
 
Lizzardia,

Lizzardia said:
You rightly said, still not to believe that he won the election ... how did it happen?
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I don't think it came down to any one factor. It's likely that Trump was seen as a political outsider to some, a massively successful businessman to others, someone who would bring good paying manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., someone who would cut red tape to unleash the engines of economic growth and make unbridled capitalism even more unbridledly,...

Of course, it's bullshit, apart from removing the pesky red tape that protects workers, the environment, human rights, etc.

I honestly thought Trump was unelectable — and technically he did lose the popular vote — but I said the same thing about George W. Bush the first and second time he won the presidency.

I would love to see a real progressive as president, but I'd settle for a Democrat who can beat Trump in 2020. In fact, I would be OK with a saguaro cactus wearing a funny hat as president over Trump.

Joe
 
vuk said:
now you are using the ambiguity of language to avoid confronting what i said honestly. the pelosi tape is not entirely fake. it is an actual recording, slowed down to 75% that allows the novice to hear the slurring of her speech (which is almost certainly due to botox and not drinking). in the overall context of her as politician, it's a nasty smear and has nothing to do with her actions or judgment (in that arena).

similarly, with gabbard, to highlight this fund-raising triviality presents a distorted picture that is totally at odds with her political positions, but even with the general approach she has taken with contributions -- UNLIKE someone like joe biden. if you want to insists on the word fake, go ahead.
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Agreed on the Pelosi tape.

If you think this, the largest source of Gabbard's fundraising, is a triviality, then so be it. But I do note that you are not suggesting that the Huffington Post article is fake. You may want to watch House's rambling Youtube video where he suggests Clinton should be prosecuted for pedophilia, as I think that's what a lot of the reporting is based on. But House is not my only concern with Gabbard.

I am thinking back to her Fox News appearances, where she trashed Obama for refusing to use the the label “radical Islamic terrorism”, and how, as a result, she became a favorite of Tucker Carlson. I am thinking back to the alt-right embracing her for supporting Assad. People like David Duke and Richard Spencer endorsed Gabbard because they see Assad as a fine example of how to create an homogeneous authoritarian state, free of political dissent. Also, even though Gabbard has evolved her view on homosexuality, she continues to be a proponent of "religious freedom" (even though that is often just a thin veil for bigotry). All of this makes me question her judgement.

On the positive side, and with the possible exception of TPP, I do agree with many of the rest of her policy positions including getting big/dark money out of politics (probably not possible given Citizens United and the current stuffing by Republicans of the Supreme Court), gun control, women's rights, infrastructure and so on. Of course, she is not the only Democratic candidate holding these positions.
 
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maxflinn said:
She does not support Assad. This is yet another smear, regurgitated as fact by you.
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I guess it depends on your definition of "support."

Democrats were silent on Thursday as Tulsi Gabbard, one of the party’s sitting lawmakers in Congress, announced that she had met with Bashar al-Assad during a trip to war-torn Syria and dismissed his entire opposition as “terrorists”.'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

Presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) declined Sunday to say whether Syrian President Bashar Assad is a war criminal, and did not answer whether she would trust her own intelligence community if elected commander in chief.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/10/tulsi-gabbard-assad-syria-1214882

"Assad is not the enemy of the United States because Syria does not pose a direct threat to the United States," Gabbard said Wednesday morning on MSNBC.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/politics/tulsi-gabbard-syria-assad/index.html
 
She does not support Assad. At the Time she went there all those fighting against Assad were indeed terrorists, supported and often armed by the US, Israel, the UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar.

She is correct in saying Assad is not an enemy of the US; he's a victim of the US.

She opposes these regime changes wars. That's why she's demonised by the establishment/regime-change media, who want them.
 
Cenk Uygar interviewing Bernie.

They cover the establishment/regime-change media's bias against Bernie and for the corporate/warmonger shills like Biden, his foreign policy, which he says is one of the main reasons the media is against him, and how as President he'll go to states where Senators are obstructing his reforms, like Medicare for all, and hold public rallies calling on the public to pressurise said bought Senators into relenting.

He says he is the man to beat Trump. He says he'll do so by exciting and engaging the public, who want the policies he's offering.

Let's hope the Democratic leadership don't nobble him this time, as they did in 2016....but they'd rather see Trump win than Bernie, so...

 
I have voted for Bernie before, and see no reason not to do so again.

I'm expecting Julian Castro and Pete Buttigieg to do well in debates.
 
enjoying a bit of socialism this morning in vancouver...

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