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Corbyn sceptics, what do you think of him now (part II)?

It's very obvious that that JC was in favour of Brexit by his actions today, and glaringly obvious during the in out referendum.

Chuka Amunna was not and his constituency Streatham had one of the highest remain votes in London. This was a stand on Brexit and on principle.
JC has moved very quickly to stamp his authority on this one, although this could ultimately backfire.
The fault lines are clearly still apparent, and Chuka Umunna is respected within the PLP, so for him to go ahead and table such a motion Suggests significant problems for Labour in the future.
 
jont said:
It's very obvious that that JC was in favour of Brexit by his actions today, and glaringly obvious during the in out referendum.

Chuka Amunna was not and his constituency Streatham had one of the highest remain votes in London. This was a stand on Brexit and on principle.
JC has moved very quickly to stamp his authority on this one, although this could ultimately backfire.
The fault lines are clearly still apparent, and Chuka Umunna is respected within the PLP, so for him to go ahead and table such a motion Suggests significant problems for Labour in the future.
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Yet plenty of remain supporting Labour MPs weren't happy with him.

I agree Brexit is tricky for Labour (as it is for the Tories). My impression is that Labour are trying not to do anything too commital while the Tories implode, and hoping for the mood of the country to change.

I don't believe the narrative that Corbyn is sneakily manoeuvering for Brexit (let alone hard Brexit, as was claimed above).
 
Ah! I see the new normal labour party has resurfaced. Corbyn unable to control even the first meaningful vote in the commons.
 
JensenHealey said:
Ah! I see the new normal labour party has resurfaced. Corbyn unable to control even the first meaningful vote in the commons.
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In fairness Brexit was always going to be bloody hard for Labour as their vote is more split in/out than any other party. IIRC 63% of Labour voters were 'remain', but much of that is centred around the metropolitan city areas, when viewed as seats there are a heck of a lot they need to retain in the very out/protectionist northern working class areas. There is just no way to please everyone. This is why I think Corbyn made a huge mistake not having a free vote on this, he should just have allowed PMs to vote on conviction or the overwhelming view in their seat.
 
SteveS1 said:
It needs somebody to break ranks and basically lead on the fact that 'cake and eat it' options are not going to cut it and to proceed with Brexit will be a disaster and should be re-thought with the benefit of some actual data rather than projections. How much time and how much damage needs to be behind us to focus minds away from fantasy economics, is an open question.
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This is what the Lib Dems tried to sell during the general election and they failed.

Jack
 
Tony L said:
I think he has made an error. By not opposing the Tories he has shackled Labour to the impending Brexit economic disaster. It would have been far smarter to let the Tories own that one alone. He certainly shouldn't have applied a whip, it should have been a free-vote allowing Labour MPs to vote with their constituencies, which differ greatly, rather than forcing a party-line. One of the dumbest moves he's made to date IMHO.
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He hasn't made an error. The EU Referendum vote was to Leave and Corbyn is playing a long game.

A general election might happen in the not too distant future. Labour could go into that and say although they were against Brexit, they have tried to implement the EU Referendum result. However things have changed economically and politically in the interim.

Labour could then offer a second Referendum if they got into power. It was never clear which version of Brexit was voted for in the first one, because the Leave campaign ran on contradictions and lies.

Offering a second Referendum would ensure a proper democratic decision is finally made. This is preferable to some sloppy whinge that we don't like the result and will scupper it, which is what Umunna did yesterday.

The majority of people who voted in the Referendum wanted to Leave. I wasn't one of them. Labour and the Tories have to live with this for the moment. So do the SNP and Lib Dems.

Umunna's amendment was moronic. But then he affiliates himself with the Blairite Progress group, which is trying to tear Corbyn and the socialists apart.

Umunna is one of last people I would trust in Labour. Perhaps he should do the decent thing and join the Lib Dems. I don't think he would get away with being Scottish, but it wouldn't surprise me if he tried.

Jack
 
droodzilla said:
I think Labour are in a bind over Brexit because they're trying to appeal to two very different groups of voters. I believe they're trying to artfully avoid setting out a position that's too explicit in the hope that the electorate gradually come to see Brexit as a bad idea (so, eg, a second referendum could be seen as legitimate) - hopefully before we crash out of the EU. It might not be the most principled approach but I can see why the Labour Party has adopted it (if it has!).
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This is what I am thinking and it makes them politically smart.

Jack
 
Oh dear , three shadow cabinet members sacked for holding different views and not voting with the leader . I thought the new politics allowed people to vote with their conscience like Jeremy always has . Lets hope he can find competent replacements and we don't have to see the return of people holding more than one cabinet post again .
 
jackbarron said:
This is what the Lib Dems tried to sell during the general election and they failed.

Jack
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They failed mainly because of the (largely deliberately misunderstood) issue with tuition fees. With lots of folk choosing not to 'get' what minority party in a coalition means. Also, many who voted Labour mistakenly think Corbyn is opposed to Brexit.

Leadership, cunning plans? Since when did waiting for the wind to change count as leadership? Corbyn's lack of a free vote when many MPs have high numbers of Remain voters was just a touch of Stalinism, expect more. The tolerance of his own form of protest on the back benches will be in short supply.
 
Rosie said:
Oh dear , three shadow cabinet members sacked for holding different views and not voting with the leader . I thought the new politics allowed people to vote with their conscience like Jeremy always has . Lets hope he can find competent replacements and we don't have to see the return of people holding more than one cabinet post again .
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Though I don't think JC was ever a cabinet member when he ignored the whip, this is standard practice across most of the parties I beleive - the front bench disagreeing with the party line?
 
True on the 500 + occasions when he voted against his party Jeremy was not a cabinet member nor was he on any select committee.
 
Rosie said:
Oh dear , three shadow cabinet members sacked for holding different views and not voting with the leader . I thought the new politics allowed people to vote with their conscience like Jeremy always has . Lets hope he can find competent replacements and we don't have to see the return of people holding more than one cabinet post again .
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Why was this a matter of conscience? What was the principle?
 
They voted to keep Britain in the single market , thats the matter of principal. Which was the position Labour had in the Referendum. Labour's policy now as I understand it is to leave the single market but to retain all of the benefits of membership of the single market through negotiation . So why sack them
 
If the Supreme Leader carries on like this, any bets on just how many of the current shadow front bench will still have their jobs by parliament recess on 20 July ?
 
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