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RFC Tannoy Canterbury Loudspeakers

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I visited Paul Coupe (Reference Fidelity Components) on Monday 7th December as I heard he had produced a very nice reconstruction of the Tannoy Canterbury loudspeaker. I was impressed by what I had seen from the construction photos in the PFM trade discussion section and was intrigued to hear a pair. This was duly arranged when Paul told me they were both completed.

Here is a photo of one of the completed speakers.

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I won't go into the construction of the Canterbury’s as this is fully described and documented HERE but needless to say the build quality and attention to detail is exceptional. The workmanship and finish is first class.

Paul has already written a very nice article about my visit which you can find HERE but I wanted to say a few words about these lovely loudspeakers myself.

Over the 43 years since my first system, I have been an avid audiophile and I have heard many original Tannoys including GRFs and Autographs (original ones) including when I was involved in the vintage scene. In fact my grandfather owned a pair of Tannoys with 15” Monitor Golds. All I heard sounded good but distinctly vintage and somewhat coloured. Now this could have been due to a number of things like age, condition, service history etc. so it was great to hear the RFC version in all their splendour. The sound was not vintage at all. Notably is the loudspeakers efficiency leading to a sound that was both realistic and more like a modern high efficiency design, but done properly. The mid and treble was dynamic but also smooth and unforced when it needed to be. When the programme material demanded the RFC Canterbury’s delivered. The bass was the biggest complement; there was no overhang or boom. It was clean and tight and precise and this is where Paul has really done some great work on removing panel resonances which improves the RFC version over the original design. If you closed your eyes you would think you were listening to a much more modern speaker, however the most important thing is that it made the music sound real.

This is not meant as a review but to provide some information. Anyone who has the room and is looking at buying a wonderful loudspeaker under £6K/pair should check these out, because at this price they are a complete steal considering the amount of care and work that goes into them. I am even considering a pair for myself. BTW did I mention each speaker weighs over 9 stone (60kgs)? Paul also offers a range of crossover options.

It is really refreshing that in these times small companies still strive for quality and performance to sell their products instead of marketing bullshit. It also takes me back to the days when the original Tannoys were built where manufacturers cared more about what they made, than how much money they could make on each sale. How times have changed...
 
They look beautiful. They are really good value at under £6k a pair, considering the time and effort Paul has put into them.

Long live small UK manufacturers! I hope that some people will consider buying new equipment from the wealth of boutique hi-fi manufacturers, instead of going down the second hand route.
 
You can get a new pair of Tannoy Kensingtons for £8K. I have owned a pair of these for many years and I have yet to hear a better pair of speakers regardless of price. It would be interesting if anyone has heard both speakers.

Nic P
 
You can get a new pair of Tannoy Kensingtons for £8K. I have owned a pair of these for many years and I have yet to hear a better pair of speakers regardless of price. It would be interesting if anyone has heard both speakers.

Nic P

Nic, what Paul has done here will be miles better than anything Tannoy make today and have made for some considerable time. Apart from the drivers which are very sort after, the RFC cabinets are made of thick premium plywood which sound considerably better than the cheap MDF/chipboard used by most manufacturers today including Tannoy. Added to this, these speakers are hand made by an skilled craftsman and not by some machine in China. Most of what Tannoy make today comes from the far east. Given the choice I know what I would rather have.

Check out what Octave Audio Woodworking in Bristol charge for a pair of Tannoy cabinets!!!
 
I am the owner of the first pair of these, which were the result of many hours of conversation and questioning on my part, and many hours of hard maths and deep thinking on Paul's side.

I've also heard Kensingtons, at a friend's home and at shows. A pair of Kensingtons was on my shopping list until I decided to get a pair of these built. Paul's starting price for cabinets is around £4k (though I understand he does extras in terms of finish and crossover options that can take it up a bit). I like Kensingtons, though I think lower models (Stirlings and Turnberrys) don't quite cut it except in a small room. Kensingtons for me are really the practical starting point of the Tannoy range, and certainly do have more of the Tannoy scale and effortlessness of old, though not as much as Canterburys or Westminsters of course.

My choice wasn't about money, indeed of the various Kensingtons I was offered second hand, the going rate was £3500 to £4000 - directly comparable. No, my choice was about what I wanted in a loudspeaker I would live with essentially till I'm either dead or deaf!

I'll declare an interest (or at least a strong peference) ... I do like my vintage Tannoys and feel that in the right cabinets, with the right crossovers, none of the modern ones barring the Canterbury or Westminster quite get up there with properly done vintage speakers.

I've owned Lancasters, GRFs, Lockwood Universals and once commissioned a pair of Autographs (all using 15in Monitor Golds, though I did also try 15in HPDs in the Lockwoods and GRFs with appropriate crossovers) as well as 12in MG and HPD (both, again at the same time) in Chatsworth, custom sealed units and latterly in Paul's RFC Canterburys. I've tried them passive, passive bi-amped and active, with tubed and SS amplification. I've owned Tannoys in some shape or form since the pair I bought with my first pay cheque in 1982. (I've owned Quad ESLs as well though not for anything like as long!).

Not long after I got my RFC Canterburys, I had another multi-forum member round who owns modern, Prestige-era Canterburys. He said (with his own amp and preamp driving them, an EAR 534, which has very similar sonic characteristics to my own Radford STA100, and a Shindo Monbrisson pre) that he would struggle to tell them apart - his perhaps going a very slight touch deeper, mine perhaps a shade sweeter and more impactful - distinctions both potentially down to room effects. Basically he said they were totally comparable.

As far as I'm concerned Paul is probably the finest Tannoy specialist currently in business - his knowledge of the ins and outs of the various Tannoy drivers and their quirks, and the differences in crossover requirements and how they work in cabinets, is second to none, and gained from long experience in speaker design and restoration. His knowledge towers above most of the hearsay and warmed up urban legend that passes for informed comment on the Tannoy forum.

But I would add that I don't actually think these speakers are in competition - the modern Tannoy range is what it is and people who buy from it know exactly what they are getting.

Paul's RFC Canterbury is something else, a gorgeous, vintage object made to really exacting modern standards using all we now know about speaker design and crossover behavior - I suspect they will attract a different sort of buyer.

Anyone wants to hear mine and is handy for the Bracknell area is very welcome.
 
Really beautiful work. Very impressive. Hopefully a life partner.
 
I've listened to Tom's RFC Canterburys and they are easily the best Tannoys that I've heard. Actually, they are among the very best speakers that I've heard. Lovely things.
 
I've listened to Tom's RFC Canterburys and they are easily the best Tannoys that I've heard. Actually, they are among the very best speakers that I've heard. Lovely things.

Agreed. The best Tannoys I've heard too.
 
Nic, what Paul has done here will be miles better than anything Tannoy make today and have made for some considerable time. Apart from the drivers which are very sort after, the RFC cabinets are made of thick premium plywood which sound considerably better than the cheap MDF/chipboard used by most manufacturers today including Tannoy. Added to this, these speakers are hand made by an skilled craftsman and not by some machine in China. Most of what Tannoy make today comes from the far east. Given the choice I know what I would rather have.

Check out what Octave Audio Woodworking in Bristol charge for a pair of Tannoy cabinets!!!

My Kensingtons were made in the UK.

Nic P
 
MDF is a much superior material for constructing dead cabinets due to its much higher unit mass.

Plywood is of course stronger and lighter so still preferred for gear that has to be on the road.

Old cabinet designs, done by ear, often enlisted cabinet resonances to give the overall desired result, which by its nature varied from cabinet to cabinet and with material humidity (so central heating is an issue).

Modern approaches post Thiele-Small tend not to do this.

A parallel would be the way the chassis in a Bentley 3-litre is part of the suspension, being very flexible.

A modern space-frame puts the suspension on the wheels instead.

But (except for an hour on a bright spring day in the north of Spain where there are NO cars to get in the way) I'd rather drive a Hyundai than a 3-litre Bentley (I have tried both).

And I'll stick with my modern monitors too...
 
MDF is a much superior material for constructing dead cabinets due to its much higher unit mass.

Years ago, a German diy mag performed a series of tests on different materials for loudspeaker enclosures (sorry, no web link available). Their conclusion was that plywood was better than MDF because it had a more even distribution of resonance modes and thus lead to a more even cabinet sound. Well-damped, a plywood cabinet is what I would choose for a speaker.
 
MDF is a much superior material for constructing dead cabinets due to its much higher unit mass.

Plywood is of course stronger and lighter so still preferred for gear that has to be on the road.

Old cabinet designs, done by ear, often enlisted cabinet resonances to give the overall desired result, which by its nature varied from cabinet to cabinet and with material humidity (so central heating is an issue).

Modern approaches post Thiele-Small tend not to do this.

A parallel would be the way the chassis in a Bentley 3-litre is part of the suspension, being very flexible.

A modern space-frame puts the suspension on the wheels instead.

But (except for an hour on a bright spring day in the north of Spain where there are NO cars to get in the way) I'd rather drive a Hyundai than a 3-litre Bentley (I have tried both).

And I'll stick with my modern monitors too...

LOL I don't think you realise just how heavy/well damped these are. They are a two-man lift - the ply on the fronts and top/bottom is outrageously thick, the backs merely verry thick as are the ply supports - have a look at the construction pics.

I think you'll find this is far more 3 litre bentley than just about any modern speaker, MDF or no.

The point is that Paul has taken the capability of the gorgeous 1970s drivers and put them to use in a cab that looks vintage, but that takes into account all modern knowledge about damping, construction and crossover design. These may look like vintage Canterburys, which are fine in their own terms, but simply don't compare in terms of sound.

Modern drivers have their strong points - Tannoy get fairly reasonable low frequency response and scale out of the 10in driver in the smallish Kensington cabinet. But as the saying goes there's no substitute for cubic inches!
 
MDF is a much superior material for constructing dead cabinets due to its much higher unit mass.

The only thing MDF is good for in audio is to make the shelving or storage units to keep your records in.
 
LOL I don't think you realise just how heavy/well damped these are. They are a two-man lift - the ply on the fronts and top/bottom is outrageously thick, the backs merely verry thick as are the ply supports - have a look at the construction pics.

Well in that case they are not using the original design, qv. :)

The point is that Paul has taken the capability of the gorgeous 1970s drivers

I think we'll have to differ on the qualities of Tannoys, then.

I have owned 15" red, silver and golds, 10" golds, 12" silver and golds in various cabs, mostly Lockwoods, but also Altec VOT's and a pair of 7'6/2m high dual 15's red which came out of Anabellas the night club, which were essentially two Westminsters with the short front horns, one upside down on top of the other but in a single cabinet. I was looking forward to those, but they were particularly dreadful as the drivers were nearly two cones-width apart vertically so the vertical pattern was bizarre... I sold 'em all.

Tannoy Golds were a wonderful design at the time they first were made, and they have the advantages of all true coaxial speakers: coincident drivers so phase coherence around the crossover frequency.

However the dreadful upper-mid and top end on all classic Tannoys has no real excuse nowadays...

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Tannoy/Tannoy_B_level_20Hz.jpg is optimistic in my experience.

I had used to use two 15" golds in sealed boxes soffit-mounted in my studio in the early '80's, with electronic crossovers that I built and optimised and separate RCA Orthophonic valve amps for each driver. As the monitoring position was off-axis they were acceptable for the job - of monitoring, not musical pleasure.

But I gave them to my engineer when I closed the studio.

I know a lot of people love them but for me, in 2015, the vices override the virtues. Of course, now I can't hear above 12 kHz perhaps they'd be OK?
 
Well in that case they are not using the original design, qv. :)



I think we'll have to differ on the qualities of Tannoys, then.

I have owned 15" red, silver and golds, 10" golds, 12" silver and golds in various cabs, mostly Lockwoods, but also Altec VOT's and a pair of 7'6/2m high dual 15's red which came out of Anabellas the night club, which were essentially two Westminsters with the short front horns, one upside down on top of the other but in a single cabinet. I was looking forward to those, but they were particularly dreadful as the drivers were nearly two cones-width apart vertically so the vertical pattern was bizarre... I sold 'em all.

Tannoy Golds were a wonderful design at the time they first were made, and they have the advantages of all true coaxial speakers: coincident drivers so phase coherence around the crossover frequency.

However the dreadful upper-mid and top end on all classic Tannoys has no real excuse nowadays...

http://seas.no/images/stories/excel...el_loudspeaker_coaxial_E0051_C16N001_F--2.jpg

I had used to use two 15" golds in sealed boxes soffit-mounted in my studio in the early '80's, with electronic crossovers that I built and optimised and separate RCA Orthophonic valve amps for each driver. As the monitoring position was off-axis they were acceptable for the job - of monitoring, not musical pleasure.

But I gave them to my engineer when I closed the studio.


Sounds awful. What a terrible thing to do to them.

You are seriously making a case, against a pair of speakers you have never heard, based on prejudices acquired years ago in a pro environment that is nothing like a home listening environment?

You need to update your ideas a bit.

BTW the original vintage Canterbury design is pretty poor. Looks wonderful, but sounds so-so. The resemblance here is skin deep only (and thank heavens for that), the new cabinets sound far and away better.
 
The only thing MDF is good for in audio is to make the shelving or storage units to keep your records in.

Just don't make the shelves too long or it will sag and collapse!

PS I own three pairs of speakers and not a shred of MDF to be seen in any of them!
 


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