positive_energy
pfm Member
Welcome to my world. Good vintage vinyl is special stuff indeed.
Yep. Mine too. It doesn't get any better.
Welcome to my world. Good vintage vinyl is special stuff indeed.
I have no real preference between vinyl or cd. My Cd's are clean & convenient and my vinyl is music full of memories.
At the weekend I bought an LP from a charity shop ~ Frank Sinatra & the Count Basie Orchestra ( on Valiant label VS144 ). The missus loves the big band sound. Cost me £1
What came out of the speakers when I got it home just blew me away
Not the performance. The production !!! What did they know in 1963 that modern producers have forgotten ?
The drummer was almost "visible", the piano was, I kid you not, about 5 feet to the left of the left speaker. Nothing I have heard has ever portrayed a soundstage that wide. Sinatra was just right of centre and you could follow him as he moved across to the piano on one track. He was standing next to my turntable ! Everything was in it's own space.
I have over 300 CD's. Lots of different genres. Diana Krall, Melody Gardot, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Anna Netrebko, Sparks, Yael Naim etc.
None of them can hold a candle to the production and imagery on a 50 year old bit of vinyl. What happened ?
too late...
I bought The Cure's Disintigration on 180g vinyl thinking it would add something to the very good CD.
What a crock of s%#t !
Apart from the fact that it sounds sooooo bad it looks as if the vinyl was an old milk crate in a previous life ( yes I know milk crates aren't vinyl but I couldn't think of anything vinyl that might be recycleable )
too late...
I bought The Cure's Disintigration on 180g vinyl thinking it would add something to the very good CD.
What a crock of s%#t !
Apart from the fact that it sounds sooooo bad it looks as if the vinyl was an old milk crate in a previous life ( yes I know milk crates aren't vinyl but I couldn't think of anything vinyl that might be recycleable )
Try and get hold of an original copy of Three Imaginary Boys as the sound quality on the original issue is excellent.
is Portishead ~ Dummy on vinyl worth tracking down ?
too late...
I bought The Cure's Disintigration on 180g vinyl thinking it would add something to the very good CD.
What a crock of s%#t !
Apart from the fact that it sounds sooooo bad it looks as if the vinyl was an old milk crate in a previous life ( yes I know milk crates aren't vinyl but I couldn't think of anything vinyl that might be recycleable )
Bathroom flooring?
I'd still take the LP release mastered properly within the limitations of the medium to the objectively superior CD that has been brick-wall mastered up the wazoo.but putting a digitally created album on a media that removes its potential.. how dumb can we be??
Sondek,
could I seek some advise please. I have a very varied taste in music but have struggled to find my way into classical music. 2 out of every 3 LP's I pick up from charity shops seem a bit inaccessible to me.
I like Grieg's Death of Aase, the Planets Suite, some Sibelius, cello music, some Opera. I don't like Elgar, Tchaikovsky.
So it would seem I prefer something with a melody. If you get a minute could you list a few composers that possibly fit the bill.
thanks
Hugh.
Nothing I have heard has ever portrayed a soundstage that wide.
this is fabulously preposterously easy to recreate with plug ins in the digital domain and gets audiophile types, myself included all gooey in the nether regions.
Check out ambiophonics and the work of the RACE crosstalk eliminator - getting a lot of traction in soundbar makers to give an insanely wide presentation from small boxes like jawbone jambox an braven avoiding the telltale phasing effect of Q sound encodes. I used to use it quite a lot but it always sat weirdly when non ambiophonics treated tracks were added. Sometimes use it on big spaces to get that bigness back if lost in the recording.
Use with caution. Wicked impressive though.
I agree. I do wonder whether one of the principal obstacles to progress may be people's unwillingness to accept that what they like might be additive noise and distortion. There does seem to be quite a lot of evidence to support this, which suggests that we could probably reproduce the sound of expensive boutique products cheaply via dsp. The problem is- I don't think people would want the cheap solution even if it sounded the same.Yes, very interesting. I think vinyl and other boutique audiophile items with "big soundstage" are applying some kind of similar effect to the sound. It ain't accurate. It can sound really good though, I agree!
Probably the most illuminating demo I've experienced was digital through a horn system at a hi-fi show. Sounded horrible. Then they played the same digital file but recorded to a reel-to-reel and played back through said reel-to-reel machine. It sounded loads better! This proved for me, with my own ears, that analogue doesn't "preserve detail and richness" that digital cannot. Instead it applies euphonic distortions which are pleasing in certain scenarios AKA it sounds good.
Sounding good isn't a crime. It's a matter of taste and also it depends if you like a particular genre.
Of course, an accurate system can replay a recording which has had these effects applied to it. Then, you will hear a wide soundstage. We are back to that thing called transparency again... For me, I like transparency and hearing the differences between recordings - I listen to all kinds of music which may have something to do with it.
Darren