Most people in Communities don't riot.But again, I'd be looking for an underlying issue for which the event was an aggravating or triggering factor. It doesn't happen spontaneously, as a rule. Communities don't riot at the drop of a hat.
Yes indeed, and I was using the term 'community' in its loosest sense. But it remains the case that 'communities' are not in a rolling state of riot - it's not like there is faction A' which riots at the drop of a hat, and 'faction B' which is mostly drug dealers and scumbags, but don't riot because they keep a low profile, and 'faction C' which is unemployed feckless types who like a good riot if somebody else is starting one, and, and...Most people in Communities don't riot.
One mistake that is often (always?) made is to believe that everyone who lives in an area is in one Community - they are not. It is particularly true that in areas of deprivation there are a multitude of different "communities of interest", even in the same street let alone the same district. Some of those communities are law abiding, some are not.
No one riots without a reason. Some people are opportunists and an incident like this is a good excuse to try it on. They probably have no interest in whether the Police were responsible for anything. General disaffection or criminal intent - I doubt anyone knows or can know.Yes indeed, and I was using the term 'community' in its loosest sense. But it remains the case that 'communities' are not in a rolling state of riot - it's not like there is faction A' which riots at the drop of a hat, and 'faction B' which is mostly drug dealers and scumbags, but don't riot because they keep a low profile, and 'faction C' which is unemployed feckless types who like a good riot if somebody else is starting one, and, and...
My point is that riots are, thankfully, rare and therefore remarkable events. Their very lack of frequency points towards there being some sort of underlying cause coupled with a trigger event.
P.S. As a slight aside I always wonder what those with hugely entrenched positions against the police do when they are burgled or their car is stolen etc.... do you just let it go or call them like the rest of us would? Not having a dig, I am genuinely interested.
P.S. As a slight aside I always wonder what those with hugely entrenched positions against the police do when they are burgled or their car is stolen etc.... do you just let it go or call them like the rest of us would? Not having a dig, I am genuinely interested.
Conversely, do people still have any expectation that anything will be done, Tigs?
As a slight aside I always wonder what those with hugely entrenched positions against the police do when they are burgled or their car is stolen etc.... do you just let it go or call them like the rest of us would? Not having a dig, I am genuinely interested.
I don't see why
a) expecting the police to investigate car thefts
and
b) wishing the police to not be institutionally corrupt, racist, misogynist and homophobic
should be incompatible views.
I think you've missed my point. All I meant is that if your view is so negative that you actually fear them in some ways the what do you do when you have a situation when you would normally need them.
This is such a complex subject though isn't it? On a purely anecdotal level I have had a few dealings with Met Police officers who were polite, helpful and did their job as far as I was concerned
Well surely if you're not white, not male, not heterosexual and you think the police are racist, misogynistic and homophobic then you would 'fear' them, to some extent at least?Has anyone posted that they fear the police?
It’s fascinating isn’t it - I mean regardless of Tigger’s intended meaning here it is a very common response: You criticise the police but who do you come crying to when the Scorpio killer’s after you eh?! I think it’s an acknowledgment that the brutality and the discrimination are actually the essence of the police: it’s impossible to imagine the police without these things. They’re also what a lot of people actually *want* from the police.I don't see why
a) expecting the police to investigate car thefts
and
b) wishing the police to not be institutionally corrupt, racist, misogynist and homophobic
should be incompatible views.
Few bad apples etc aside, when you have a police service that has been cut back to the bones, now spends most of their time working as social workers or mental health nurses corners are going to get cut and tempers are going to get frayed.
There's no arguing that the police are institutionally racist, the evidence of this goes back far beyond cuts etc but I don't think any of these issues can be addressed and resolved until the govt are held accountable for cutbacks to both policing and adult social care.
I talk with the police on a weekly basis and you'd be surprised at the percentage who spend the majority of their shifts sat in A&E chaperoning for mental health issues or locking people up in cells because they have nobody/nowhere to hand them over to.
But once again on loony marxist pfm it's a simple equation of "police = facist nazi scum"
If I were a good apple I couldn't tolerate working for an organisation that's so full of bad ones. Institutionally racist and corrupt - how do you tell the family? A fish rots from the head down and a bad apple ruins the whole sack...