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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII

Yep, you've said all that before, Tony, same as I've said my piece over and over.

Disagreement is fine by me and I disagree with you. Labour are not great but the tories are worse, Labour is the only party that can replace them so I will take it. It is realism. The best chance of changing it all was 2010, yet you always ignore that fact.

The misrepresentation of my pov needs to stop. I've even got a bloke this evening telling everyone 95% of my posts are loaded with nationalism and conservatism. I detest both. Being accused of that is a disgrace, imo.
 
Le maître de la marionnette. Giving Sir Keir lessons on taking power. No doubt also up to eyeballs in Trilateral Commission shenanigans...

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They claim to have been celebrating the match, but I think they were reacting to a new portrait of Sir Tony being unveiled. For pride of place in Sir Keir's front room. That is, until Sir Kier takes it with him in the move to Number 10...
 
notaclue said:
Le maître de la marionnette. Giving Sir Keir lessons on taking power. No doubt also up to eyeballs in Trilateral Commission shenanigans...

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They claim to have been celebrating the match, but I think they were reacting to a new portrait of Sir Tony being unveiled. For pride of place in Sir Keir's front room. That is, until Sir Kier takes it with him in the move to Number 10...
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Fair play to the Labour front bench - working on a Sunday night but stopping to catch the game - I know Sir Kier is a footie supporter (albeit Arsenal).

No doubt working on promoting the document Gordon Brown was asked to produce called A New Britain, from the BBC website:

The report will put forward 40 recommendations, including proposals for handing new economic powers to English mayors, local authorities and devolved governments. The report argues the "continuing over-concentration of power in Westminster and Whitehall is undermining our ability to deliver growth and prosperity for the whole country", creating a "vicious circle". One of its most eye-catching recommendations will be a proposal to scrap the House of Lords and replace it with an elected chamber

Doesn’t seem very authoritarian to me!
 
Good post ^

No doubt idealists will continue to whinge given it is not likely everything you demand will be in these proposals, and obviously there will be whinging because it is just a proposal, but then Labour is not in govt so it can’t be anything else at this time. They can’t implement anything unless supposed anti-tory supporters get real.

Labour to propose far reaching reforms to UK’s political system.

Source: BBC

Note: Does this post qualify as an example of my support for conservatism and nationalism, I wonder?
 
Starmer doing a decent job in the face of fairly hostile questioning on R4 at the moment.
Saying corbyn will not be standing as a labour mp in Islington.
Which is hardly unexpected, in the light of recent labour left wing purges.

However...
No rejoining the CU...a better deal, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Presumably he hasn't seen the latest figures re brexit satisfaction.

Still, he answered questions basically truthfully, which makes a refreshing change from the lying and deflecting tory shite they usually have on in that morning slot.

And face it, a change is much needed.
 
No more fence-sitting from Labour? Maybe they're after the Red Wall runaways... "Come back, we'll keep the BrExit dream alive!"
 
droodzilla said:
Also:

https://twitter.com/lara_spirit/status/1599011125013532674

LOL
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Brian said:
What is the problem with that? Attacking the House of Lords is hardly the most important thing, which is to the win the confidence of sufficient numbers of the electorate to win the next GE. Then they can tackle the state of the place created by the tories. The House of Lords is not at the top of any list other than for those who wish to grasp any opportunity to undermine the party and help the tories.
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drood, Adding to my reply yesterday because this is an example of people buying into the tory propaganda. Got any tw*tter links to the truth from the individual you linked yesterday, or have they not bothered with that?
 
ks.234 said:
Of course it is.
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No, it isn’t. Labour is not the same as the tory party. While waiting for someone to set up a centre left party I can support that has a chance of replacing the tories, I will continue to vote against the tories and accept the current party that can replace them. Labour. I hope you continue to be happy to accept the tory party in govt. I’m not.
 
droodzilla said:
Covered in The Guardian at the weekend:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ot-to-waste-political-capital-on-lords-reform

Seriously, if you or Spraggon's Den believe that a Starmer-led government will abolish the HoL, I have a bridge to sell you.
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What I still don't understand is why they bothered lying about it, given that nobody really cares. It's like a mechanical tic - Blair lied about this so we should also lie about it - or just lying for the sake of it, like when I used to tell people I was a life coach.
 
Brian said:
No, it isn’t. Labour is not the same as the tory party. While waiting for someone to set up a centre left party I can support that has a chance of replacing the tories, I will continue to vote against the tories and accept the current party that can replace them. Labour. I hope you continue to be happy to accept the tory party in govt. I’m not.
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The question was abut neoliberalism, and the Labour Party is neoliberal
 
Seanm said:
What I still don't understand is why they bothered lying about it, given that nobody really cares. It's like a mechanical tic - Blair lied about this so we should also lie about it - or just lying for the sake of it, like when I used to tell people I was a life coach.
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I can't fathom it either...

Announce the abolition of the HoL, with a great fanfare, a few weeks ago.

Back-pedal on the announcement at this weekend.

Today, abolition of the HoL is central to the message.

Ironically, I agree with Brian (and you) that this is not a priority, but it goes to Starmer's honesty and trustworthiness, so... well...
 
It’s how politics is, leak, gauge reaction & then either announce or drop.

I can’t see HoL being reformed any time soon but then I’ve yet to see any upside to Brexit either. Play to the gallery & then dissemble.
 
droodzilla said:
I can't fathom it either...

Announce the abolition of the HoL, with a great fanfare, a few weeks ago.

Back-pedal on the announcement at this weekend.

Today, abolition of the HoL is central to the message.

Ironically, I agree with Brian (and you) that this is not a priority, but it goes to Starmer's honesty and trustworthiness, so... well...
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Classic Labour marketing strategy of giving the impression of having A Whole Policy on something only for it to quietly evaporate into faceless Tory/establishment continuation a short time later.

The Labour party is a vacuum sucking all the air out of UK political discussion. An opposition that doesn’t oppose anything and by standing for nothing absolutely guarantees there will be no change or reform to anything. I actually view them with more contempt than the Tories as they are the only reason the Tories can get away with what they do. The Tories are exactly what they are; a bunch of elitist crooks and shysters siphoning public wealth ever upwards to a £billionaire oligarchy. They no longer even bother to hide it anymore as they don’t have to. Labour are the systemic failure and moral cowardice that facilitates that behaviour.
 
ks.234 said:
If only it was pantomime. Labour is at least as neoliberal as the Tories and more neoliberal than any social democracy (or democratic socialism, whatever the difference is) worth aspiring to.
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It was just a wee bit of humour based on the short and cliche manner of yours and Brian's exchange (oh yes it is/oh no it isn't) rather than anything profound about economics.
 
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