Jim Audiomisc
pfm Member
Actually, the mystery for me is the reason Brian doesn't understand the actual point I've explained.
The other elephant in that room, though, is that in general it would have been regarded as a 'wasted vote' to vote Green in a UK GE because of FPTP. Whereas voting Green *does* have an impact in the makeup of the Scots Parliament as it uses PR. And the Greens are pro Independence. So I am less convinced it is a better indicator given that the two voting systems/situations are different in various other ways.
Disagreeing with you does not show a lack of understanding.Actually, the mystery for me is the reason Brian doesn't understand the actual point I've explained.
Disagreeing with you does not show a lack of understanding.
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I’m already aware of what the tories said, so it’s not news. It’s not as though I like or support the tories.Agreed. But your lack of showing you understand, does.
Do you live in Scotland? If so, for how long?
I've kept explaining what *actually* happened here in terms of the propaganda put out by the Tories, and its effect upon me and others. The lack in your responses is the failute to realise this happened. Specifically:
The Tories *repeatedly* 'warned' during IndyRef that Scots Independence would mean Scotland would be ejected from the EU and not allowed back in. They threw up the problem Spain has with Catelonia as a reason why the EU would do this. Politically, it was a reasonable argument. Thus I know it affected my views, and via Scots media and talking to other here I know it affected other people as well.
Are you denying all of the above para?
"Another mystery is why nationalists struggle so much with factual data relating to a general election."
Another mystery is why you feel the need to post this sort of crap.
There is nothing mysterious there at all, I quoted the reason with my post. I was replying to...
“ Actually, the mystery for me is the reason Brian doesn't understand the actual point I've explained. “
...which ignored the factual data from a general election.
As to why do I post this stuff? I am from the UK, so believe I am entitled to an opinion on the matter and that opinion does not have to concur with yours.
It is also to counter the false narrative the SNP is the dogs bollocks and that a majority of Scots wish to break up the UK. That might be the case at some point in time but the figures at the last GE suggest otherwise.
I’m not alone in believing independence will be bad for Scotland and for the UK, as such I hope the nationalists do not win out on this. I am happy with the ruling of the Court. You may not like me or my pov, but I genuinely want I believe is best for the UK and for Scotland.
OK. If we consider the Scottish Parliament elections 2021, counting votes for SNP, Greens and Alba (apologies if I have missed other pro-independence parties) gives about:
Assuming everyone who voted for them wants independence, and that their vote is about independence, not who they think is best to run Scotland under existing devolved powers, then at best, it shows that 32% of the Scottish electorate were for it in 2021.
- 48.9% of the constituency vote, with a 63.5% turnout.
- 50.2% of the regional vote, with a 63.5%
As Jim accused me of earlier, a lack of showing understanding shows there is a lack of understanding.I was referring to the crap about nationalists and data, I didn't need another load of crap.
It’s not as though I like or support the tories.
I’m already aware of what the tories said, so it’s not news. It’s not as though I like or support the tories.
Do you deny the GE figures are correct? They are from 2019, which is after the 2016 EU referendum. SNP support is shown in the results. Obviously the figures don’t show what nationalists would like, but it is what it is.
As Jim accused me of earlier, a lack of showing understanding shows there is a lack of understanding.
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Do 'we'?We know you're a Labour fan, but it is obvious that you support Tory Nationalist/Populist policies.
Nicely patronising, as expected.Slighty more complex than that. You failed to take the point over *repeated* attempts to explain it. When I was in the 'ed biz' I decided that if I tried to explain something to an undergrad it was worth trying up to about three times, perhaps in different ways. After that I concluded it was a waste of effort to try again as they simply didn't "get it". Often I had no idea why, but it seemed like they'd already got a misleading assumption firmly entrenched, and that blocked them twigging.
BTW I'll ask again: Did you live in Scotland at the time of IndyRef? If not, you may well have missed some of what the Tories tried on at the time as it was largely ignored in UK-wide media.
Since you're so good with numbers and I'm a bit dim, could you please tell me what percent of the Scottish electorate voted for pro union parties? Assuming of course that everyone who voted for them wants the union, and their vote is about the union.
No, I did not live in Scotland in 2014. Are you suggesting it is required to live in a country to have an opinion?
Surely the Supreme Court judgement simply reflects its interpretation of current UK legislation, not about whether the legislation is politically or morally just. I might be annoyed or disappointed with the outcome, but that's not the point is it?