Didn't know there was one. I think I have for copies including the original from 79 or whenever it was.
Linn LP12s – Fire away!
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Didn't know there was one. I think I have for copies including the original from 79 or whenever it was.
Paul Hindle
Do you mock me?
Best source for 135s is dealers. One will have a pair traded in or know when some are coming in, just a case of ringing round and maybe waiting a bit. Servicing cost was recently £275 each at Class A but I would expect to pick up a serviced pair for around £2500 and unserviced £2000ish. Some eBay buy it now prices are ridiculous but a pair recently went for about £2250 in an auction. Benefits? Soundstage, imaging, detail etc. I don’t do describing sound but improvements across the board. Oh! And they don’t trip out when pushed hard like the 250 does. A 52 deserves 135s even though the 250 is a fine amp. Putting budget tyres (not that I would really describe the 250 such) on a Porsche is fine but you will get more out of it with premium ones.
Porsche don't make premium tyres though.
NickofWimbledon
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I'd need some convincing that spending enough to beat the old Ekos materially was a better use of cash than a better cartridge than another Krystal or a better top-plate (f they are better) or a better sub-chassis than Kore (ditto).
I believe that the Ekos SE is better, but is it better by over £3,500? I remember dealers demonstrating that K18 MM + Ekos beat Arkiva in an Akito, but always assumed that said quite a lot about the Akito (and a little about the phono-cards they used for the dem). Was that wrong?
FWIW, I struggled and largely failed to hear the benefit of Ekos 2 over Ekos 1 (perhaps I deafer than most), so I didn't buy one.The lack of a decent lift-lower stopped me joining the Aro-chasers many years ago.
There were several decent lifters for Aro over the years, Naim Aromatic, and Tiger Paw did one. Interesting you mention a uni pivot, I am sure Richard is alluding to a SUPATRAC, and why not? A uni pivot without the downsides makes a lot of sense. If I wasn't wedded to my Aro for sentimental reasons, I would get myself a listen to a SUPATRAC. I daren't as I don't want to swap out my Aro.
I don't know. I bought a 250 from a very well known London Naim dealer. They had sold it new and just taken it in as a trade in. The price was high but they assured me it had been checked out and hey, buying from a dealer is best, right?
After a few months it started making crackling noises. It had done this from the start but only when I switched it on. As I kept it on all the time I didn't think much of it. When I got it checked out by a more local Naim dealer I was informed that it needed serviced/recapped.
I contacted the selling dealer and told them I wasn't very happy. They'd sold me a ten year old amp which needed serviced for close to the price it cost new. They didn't want to know. As they were at the other end of the country there wasn't much I could do about it. Just took the hit and got it serviced myself.
It's a box. Condition and price are everything.
Audio Origami PU7. Johnnie can't keep up with demand as people who dem the PU7 against the Ekos SE usually buy the PU7.
tpetsch
...The rhythm has Control
A little more Devil's Advocate:
Why does the LP12 have a -sprung- "suspension"?
I'd say if one doesn't need a TT suspension to quell vibrations coming up from the floor then, Why? ...Did Linn ever make claims that their sprung suspension design did more for the Tune with, than without?
Me deck is currently on a lightweight & rigid Archidee type stand placed on a solid cement poured foundation floor, I'd say that I personally don't need the added complexities and ultimate potential limitations of a spring/suspended deck and I don't live next to a commercial Interstate expressway. Even when my LP12 was upstairs on a slightly bouncy but hardwood floor I'm still not sure I needed a sprung deck, and up there I had it on a Target wall shelf anyway, vibrations -in any of my environments- were never really an issue for me except for those rare times when people were moving quickly through the house with heavy footfalls, but to be honest I heard those vibrations thru the system anyway, sprung or unsprung, wall shelf or not..
Why does the LP12 have a -sprung- "suspension"?
I'd say if one doesn't need a TT suspension to quell vibrations coming up from the floor then, Why? ...Did Linn ever make claims that their sprung suspension design did more for the Tune with, than without?
Me deck is currently on a lightweight & rigid Archidee type stand placed on a solid cement poured foundation floor, I'd say that I personally don't need the added complexities and ultimate potential limitations of a spring/suspended deck and I don't live next to a commercial Interstate expressway. Even when my LP12 was upstairs on a slightly bouncy but hardwood floor I'm still not sure I needed a sprung deck, and up there I had it on a Target wall shelf anyway, vibrations -in any of my environments- were never really an issue for me except for those rare times when people were moving quickly through the house with heavy footfalls, but to be honest I heard those vibrations thru the system anyway, sprung or unsprung, wall shelf or not..
John
Rack’em Up!
I don’t believe your premise that the only point of a suspension on a LP12 is to quell vibrations from the floor. Did you ever ask that question to a Linn representative while selling their product?
tpetsch
...The rhythm has Control
Yes, of course, we/I did speak with Alex M. about many this years ago among many other things. What do you 'Specifically" know about it? -And remember, the sprung suspension wasn't Linns idea, it was "Borrowed" from a well over 50 years old concept.
And this direct from Linn for "dealers" back in the day which -as you can clearly see- sure didn't mention pretty much Anything about the sprung "suspension", notice the 10 words under the heading "Chassis". Lets just keep that part a mystery, shall we?! This was the difference between a "review/hype sheet" from the Marketing Dept. meant for the customer/end user, and the "fact sheet" the dealer gets.
Thanks for posting that tpetsch - first time I recall seeing a photo of the LP12 in its original form.
Linn now have 006 at the factory that's been fitted to a plinth at some point. It has two green on / off buttons that stand quite proud of the top plate. I recall 008 sold on ebay about 15 years ago and that had the single red button shown above. Interesting how things evolved during that early period.
I sold a two-button LP12 last year. It never occurred to me to even look at the serial number, I wish I had. It belonged to a friend who bought it off someone who worked for Linn. I'd never seen one before, didn't know they existed. Wonder how many are out there.
Maybe just 7 if 8 was a red button, assuming it wasn't changed later? I heard 1-3 were in LP12 heaven so maybe just 4!
John
Rack’em Up!
Yes, of course, we/I did speak with Alex M. about many this years ago among many other things. What do you 'Specifically" know about it? -And remember, the sprung suspension wasn't Linns idea, it was "Borrowed" from a well over 50 years old concept.
And this direct from Linn for "dealers" back in the day which -as you can clearly see- sure didn't mention pretty much Anything about the sprung "suspension", notice the 10 words under the heading "Chassis". Lets just keep that part a mystery, shall we?! This was the difference between a "review/hype sheet" from the Marketing Dept. meant for the customer/end user, and the "fact sheet" the dealer gets.
Have a look at Linn Magazine circa 1984.
Paul Hindle
Do you mock me?
Oh I totally agree with you. Buyer beware. Dealers are simply where you are more likely to find these things, we don’t actually trust them, heaven forbid, they are just trying to make a living. Unless they can prove that the servicing has been carried out (Naim keep a record, Class A provide a certificate) negotiate the price down and get it serviced yourself. My NAC52 was unserviced and never even got out of the box before I sent it to Class A. Ebay is a great source if you can get a good price but always budget for a service. My 135s came from eBay ( naimlylinn/in tune audio now defunct) sold as serviced, they do have a sticker on the toroidal saying service 18/10 (Oct 2018) and this dealer used to sell service kits for Naim amplifiers. I got them for £2250 and was intending to send them to Class A anyway if there was any doubt but from the moment I heard them I was in no doubt they were serviced. Old Naim kit is I believe a true bargain compared to buying new even if you have to pay for a service. If in doubt shell it out. .
Paul Hindle
Do you mock me?
I do wonder these days whether Linn would have bothered with springs knowing what they do now about what makes turntables sound good. Back in the day it was all about the arm and cartridge. Now it’s all about the power supply and sub-chassis. Even a well known dealer said to me “Who would have known then?”. Regardless, at least the Lp12 seems to sound good with or without springs and in terms of looks, I wouldn’t want anything else. Although Vertere are making some lovely looking turntables DG1/MG1. But I digress.
It was a green and maybe a black button but you couldn't change it. The holes are different. I had a red button for years. Only sold it about four years ago. It was originally sold as a kit which you could fit into your own cabinet, it came with plans for the cut-out.
Paul Hindle
Do you mock me?
Pointless. The upgrade potential is too limited