ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Oh come on. Don't tell me there's another one https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/members/super-bigote.44341/
Do you have anything to say other that personal attacks on posters?
Tory Leadership Runners and Riders
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Do you have anything to say other that personal attacks on posters?
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Echoes of Boris- you were warned but you still elected. This way the country gets to experience what real Truss fails mean rather than just the rhetorical variety- cheese, Russia, Margaret Hilda pussy bows. The problem is it’s going to be very very expensive.
MVV
pfm Member
I just find it startling that no-one is talking about the huge elephant sitting on Sunak which is that he has brown skin and therefore it is impossible that the largely racist conservative members will vote for him. If the mad Truss leads by forty points in a poll she leads by far more in reality.
It is not even a competition yet everyone pretends it is; it's just utter nonsense.
droodzilla
pfm Member
I don't agree with every word of this but the overall message is correct: the idea that Truss will be easy for Starmer to beat is sheer complacency:
https://unherd.com/2022/08/why-labour-should-fear-liz-truss/
McTernan is a former advisor to Tony Blair (and a bit of a right wing anti-union scumbag, to be honest) but I think he's right about this.
https://unherd.com/2022/08/why-labour-should-fear-liz-truss/
McTernan is a former advisor to Tony Blair (and a bit of a right wing anti-union scumbag, to be honest) but I think he's right about this.
farfromthesun
pfm Member
Genuinely interested if, as is often remarked upon lately, the types of responses below constitute "ad-hom"?
Not looking for an argument here, but I see this type of reply pretty often and wonder if it simply leads to more of the same where some people take exception to it, and others brush it off.
Not looking for an argument here, but I see this type of reply pretty often and wonder if it simply leads to more of the same where some people take exception to it, and others brush it off.
MVV
pfm Member
Interesting thanks, I like this bit:
(Sunak)"comes across in the leadership debates like the cleverest boy in the class. His hand is up first. His answers are always by the book. His contempt for Liz Truss is withering. And it is all digging him a bigger and bigger hole, because while you can respect the smart kid, it’s really hard to warm to them".
So there is a bit about humility along with ethnicity.
Sometimes I ask a clearly multicultural group to get themselves in sub-groups that are as diverse as possible. But they don't, they pretend they are colour blind. However if you tell them what you mean when you say 'diverse' i.e. a mixture of gender, ethnicity, age, etc they can and do.
I can only assume it gives them permission to talk about it.
If Sunak wants to have a chance his camp need to start talking about it.
Now I loath the conservatives but if we must have them in power at least elect someone with basic competence.
farfromthesun
pfm Member
No, I just wanted to know about these ones actually - I used those examples as ks.234 does regularly cite the AUP.
However, I am sure there are others that do it.
billo
pfm Member
I would give him 5/10 for his "Only New Labour can not be afraid of Truss" piece.
The last sentence had me laughing
"After all, there are no accidental Prime Ministers, and like the rest, Truss has guile, will and talent".
farfromthesun
pfm Member
I do know about them, I read most of what's posted.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
That is contrary to evidence, but as a mod has indicated that he has already made up his mind about any response, I will have to leave it there
Nick_G
pfm Member
MMT - May Manifest Tensions...
laughingboy
pfm Member
Sunak seems to be pursuing a ‘be more Brexity’ strategy, in his desperate need for Conservative member votes. Today saw him saying, ‘we need to move away from the ECHR definition of asylum. It is far too broad…’ (Twitter) He proposes using the 1951 UN Refugee Convention instead. By implication, he is proposing to leave the ECHR and Council of Europe, which means abandoning citizens’ recourse to a non-national court in all areas of Human Rights law.
I don’t know what it says about the Conservative membership, but the longer the leadership race goes on, the worse the policies of both candidates get.
I don’t know what it says about the Conservative membership, but the longer the leadership race goes on, the worse the policies of both candidates get.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Or the winner can just do what Boris does- make a lot of promises then do nothing once in office. Just trot around hospitals, laboratories and building sites in a variety of outfits and have your picture taken and hold drinks parties at Chequers
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
I don't recall seeing anyone on here seriously state Sir Keeer will wipe the floor with Liz Edam (holes in her policies).
Most folk on PFM are realistic enough to recognise the distance that needs to be travelled given the unprecedented scale of Labour's 2019 GE defeat under Corbyn.
Blair's 97 victory was partly due to the progress made by Kinnock at the 87 and 92 GEs following Foot's 83 disaster.
And it is made more difficult by Labour losing Scotland and the continued dominance by the Right of the press.
So yes Shikira has his work cut out.
Tony L
Administrator
They’ve clearly screwed up the economy (safe management of which being the Tory party’s historic lie) to the extent millions are in absolute poverty and millions more on the brink. All they have left to sell is demonising, scapegoating, division and crushing authoritarianism. Sunak is now advocating for re-education camps for those who “vilify the UK” by abusing the ‘Prevent’ strategy (Guardian). National pride will be enforced by state mandate. Nothing fascist about that at all, obviously.
Seanm
pfm Member
Campaigning for the Tory leadership is something that should be done over the dark web. Making out that this filth is part of some kind of national debate pollutes the public sphere and drags politics even further to the right. The Conservatives have already built a whole polity around the worst instincts of the worst people in the country but this is grotesque.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The whole way it’s been framed by the media is a rancid distortion. It’s been presented as “Britain Chooses Its Next Prime Minister”, like a bad episode of Royal It’s a Knockout compèred by a pair of prolific sex offenders.
Tony L
Administrator
#TheWeekInTory can go in this thread this week.
Nic Robinson
Moderator
Christ. They'll have to sign me up. I detest lots about Britain: its narrow-minded Brexit Island mentality; its nonagenarian benefits scrounger and her family of in-breds; its absurd political system, rigged in its lower house and stuffed with political nominees and frigging bishops in its upper.
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Spraggons Den
pfm Member
I like the music that comes from here though and our Hi-Fi manufacturers. Totally agree with the bit about “the frigging bishops” - not a pretty sight.