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Whisky II

People need to start deserting these hiked prices in droves. It’s market manipulation and if people don’t bite, they’ll settle down again.
I doubt that would be the case tbh. It’s largely driven by the huge export market that has opened up in (pre-present situation) Russia, India and, especially, China. Where once you could walk into a specialist shop, or online retailer, and take your pick of whatever you wanted, now, as we’re all aware, trying to get a hold of Springbank or decently priced Macallan or Ardbeg, or some of the less familiar bourbons, is next to impossible. There’s a massive surplus of demand over supply, and that has led to the proliferation of NAS over the last decade or so and the mushrooming of new distilleries.

The bubble burst in the 80’s, and you could score Port Ellen, Brora and aged Springbank by the case if you wanted. I can’t see that happening now with the rise of export markets, online sales and secondary auction sites.
 
I doubt that would be the case tbh. It’s largely driven by the huge export market that has opened up in (pre-present situation) Russia, India and, especially, China. Where once you could walk into a specialist shop, or online retailer, and take your pick of whatever you wanted, now, as we’re all aware, trying to get a hold of Springbank or decently priced Macallan or Ardbeg, or some of the less familiar bourbons, is next to impossible. There’s a massive surplus of demand over supply, and that has led to the proliferation of NAS over the last decade or so and the mushrooming of new distilleries.

The bubble burst in the 80’s, and you could score Port Ellen, Brora and aged Springbank by the case if you wanted. I can’t see that happening now with the rise of export markets, online sales and secondary auction sites.

Agreed. I was talking to the owner at Robertson's in Pitlochry in the summer. He was saying that people call him about the value of an odd, commodity grade, bottle they have stashed away and end up with a new car.

I'm just 60, investing in 25 cases of my favourites today might be a wise investment. Not for a windfall, just to stave off inflation.
 
I’ve mentioned it before, but I remember the days of walking into the old Whisky Exchange shop at London Bridge (c.15 years ago) to see their shelves groaning with Port Ellen, Brora, George T. Stagg, Kuruizawa, Yamazaki, Springbank 21 YO, Ardbeg 17 YO etc, and all for well under £100 a bottle. Had we known, we could have been-literally- millionaires now.
 
That's pretty depressing. Not from an investment point of view, but just to think of all those wonderful whiskies I'll never get the opportunity to try.
To cheer myself up, I shall pour a wee dram of Billy Walker's latest batch of sherry matured, cask strength 10yo. A fine whisky (given time to open up), but sadly not particularly available...(slainte to @Weekender)

 
That's pretty depressing. Not from an investment point of view, but just to think of all those wonderful whiskies I'll never get the opportunity to try.
To cheer myself up, I shall pour a wee dram of Billy Walker's latest batch of sherry matured, cask strength 10yo. A fine whisky (given time to open up), but sadly not particularly available...(slainte to @Weekender)


The daft thing is that if you own a bottle that is in demand and only going up in value, opening it and drinking it is too expensive to contemplate.

I've got a bottle of sherry cask Arran 23 that was the nicest thing i've ever drunk when i tried it at the distillery. It sitting on the shelf, I can't afford to replace it.
 
I actually open most of my bottles when I get then so couldn't sell much of my stuff on, even if I wanted to. I do have a couple of unopened oddities though including a Lagavulin Offerman Edition which I can't imagine I paid more than say £60 or £70 for at the distillery about 18 months back but there seem to be places asking for anything up to £400-£500 (the latter being Amazon) for a bottle at the moment.
 
My philosophy is whisky is made to be drunk and enjoyed. I’ve only ever bought one bottle as an investment (Karuizawa). But when a bottle could go a significant way to financing a much needed new (used) car, or a new boiler, it becomes very difficult indeed to pull that cork.
 
My philosophy is whisky is made to be drunk and enjoyed. I’ve only ever bought one bottle as an investment (Karuizawa). But when a bottle could go a significant way to financing a much needed new (used) car, or a new boiler, it becomes very difficult indeed to pull that cork.
Yes I agree. So if I happened to buy a £100 bottle because I fancied it, and the consensus was that it was fairly priced at that, I think if it was selling-on for £500 I’d flog it and celebrate with a dram of something else. There will be other £100 bottles.
 
Yes I agree. So if I happened to buy a £100 bottle because I fancied it, and the consensus was that it was fairly priced at that, I think if it was selling-on for £500 I’d flog it and celebrate with a dram of something else. There will be other £100 bottles.
Yes.
But is it a short or long-term hold? ;)
 
Wow. Those are serious prices for relatively young whiskies. I don’t think I have the nerve to hold onto long term whisky investments. I’d almost certainly get pished one night and crack the buggers open.
 
My son and his girlfriend are visiting tonight, so after a couple of bottles of wine we've moved onto whisky related stuff. First round of that is:
  • Old fashioned for my son's girlfriend, using Woodford Reserve.
  • Highball for my son, using Suntori Toki and Fever Tree ginger ale
  • As a little treat, an Angels Envy bourbon for me
 
Yes, bought a bottle a few months ago. Great value for an 18yo. I’d rate it over other well reviewed sherried whiskies I’ve tried - Arran Bodega, Glenallachie 12 & 15, Glenturret 12 - although they were all lovely, but the ancnoc is better balanced. No substitute for time in cask I guess.
Perhaps worth noting mine was far darker in colour than others I’ve seen online…
 
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I've heard of anCnoc I remember trying some younger than that one at at a tasting in another Diageo distillery. Can't remember which one, maybe Blair Atoll?

The sample they offered was an underwhelmingly thin "Speyside" style. Then again they were using it as an example of a blending whisky that was unremarkable on its own.

Seems anCnoc had other ideas and they've put it in a Sherry cask:)
 
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