farfromthesun
pfm Member
Can't say I am surprised. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58760933
Challenge plain-clothes officers, Met Police says
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a.palfreyman
pfm Member
Very difficult subject. Agree though that it shouldn't be up to the public to 'police' the police. Utter nonsense! You'd be told most forthrightly where to go. Unfortunately this feeds the distrust thing but forces already have too much behind the scenes stuff to do, however public safety is PARAMOUNT. They need to get their collective act together. Makes you wonder what these police commissioners do...
a.palfreyman
pfm Member
Anyway, you can ask them to do as many questionnaires as you like, we all know the 'right' answers, but that doesn't tell you what is going off deep down in the psyche/subconscious.
flutteringwow
She called me baby, like an old romantic
This is going to work out so well here in London...I mean, black kids in Hackney already get tasered if they even dare question an officer...
The Police have so little knowledge of laws they try to apply and also abuse laws, for example they use stop and search laws introduced to prevent knife crimes for other violations. Not sure that they genuinely serve the public and democracy anymore. I lost any remaining respect for the police following their actions at Clapham Common.
Police assaulting females at a Vigil at which they attended showing support for Sarah murdered by one of their own!
Perhaps they have become a typical security firm with poor education and thuggish tendencies.
I write this without any criminal interaction and my only demonstration was about a dirty fouling incident involving Martin Chivers of Spurs kicking one of my heroes at the shrine!
Police assaulting females at a Vigil at which they attended showing support for Sarah murdered by one of their own!
Perhaps they have become a typical security firm with poor education and thuggish tendencies.
I write this without any criminal interaction and my only demonstration was about a dirty fouling incident involving Martin Chivers of Spurs kicking one of my heroes at the shrine!
paulfromcamden
Baffled
A really quite spectacularly offensive response from the Conservative North Yorkshire Police Commissioner Philip Allott.
"So women, first of all, need to be streetwise about when they can be arrested and when they can't be arrested. She should never have been arrested and submitted to that. Perhaps women need to consider in terms of the legal process, to just learn a bit about that legal process".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-58762029
"So women, first of all, need to be streetwise about when they can be arrested and when they can't be arrested. She should never have been arrested and submitted to that. Perhaps women need to consider in terms of the legal process, to just learn a bit about that legal process".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-58762029
sean99
pfm Member
How about male officers not being allowed to arrest single women while working alone ? That seems like a reasonable safeguard to require a male officer to have to call a female officer to assist.
Tony L
Administrator
That really is disgraceful. I expect zero morality from Tory police chiefs, but victim-blaming of that grade is just disgusting. I will be hugely disappointed if that piece of shit still has a job tomorrow.
PS I expect Kit Moathouse to defend the indefensible any minute…
farfromthesun
pfm Member
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
This practically won't work, especially in rural areas.
it is important as to differentiate between uniform and non-uniform officers (body worn video, marked car etc)
farfromthesun
pfm Member
Obviously Marina Hyde has it spot on: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/women-prey-authority-violence-against-women
Nick_G
pfm Member
Kit Malthouse is my MP. Completely useless. The way this is being handled...I have no words.
Cav
pfm Member
How would this have prevented what happened? It needs to be recognised that in any walk of life there are people who will commit opportunist crime.
What is disturbing about Couzens (known as the rapist, apparently) is that he was twice accused of a sexual offence and that he and other Officers were in a Whatsapp group that was openly misogynistic.
Perhaps all serving Officers should be subject to random audits of their phones, laptops, and other media devices both work issued and privately owned.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Of course. But in this case it seems the vetting process(es) were not followed correctly, warning signs were ignored and sexual offences not investigated.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
I do agree with this. Please do bear in mind that in certain departments the audits you describe already happen.
I also find it ridiculous that some officers keep on leaving themselves open to substantiated complaints by contributing to any forms of social media by commenting on such matters.
NB I have investigated misuse of social media complaints, back in the day.
Yes that's terrible. I heard that his nickname from other officers was 'rapey'.
I think rather than direct measures to do with stopping/arresting, there needs to be a push for other coppers to not fear shopping a colleague if they feel they're dodgy, get rid of this closed ranks bullshit.
Dogberry
pfm Member
Exactly Couzens should have and could have been stopped,several officers must have known he was a nutter.
However there is a culture of sexism,misogynism in the police,report anything and you're a misfit,kiss goodbye to a career.